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Report: Armor Causing Humvees to Roll Over
Associated Press ^
| Jun 11, 2006
Posted on 06/12/2006 9:01:28 AM PDT by presidio9
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from March 2003 through November 2005, found that 60 of the 85 soldiers who died in Humvee accidents in Iraq No doubt to be included in AP's weekly list celebration of Iraq combat deaths...
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:01:30 AM PDT
by
presidio9
To: presidio9
DUH!
You change the center of gravity by raising it and the vehicle rolls over...
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:04:19 AM PDT
by
Mikey_1962
(If you build it, they won't come...)
To: presidio9
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:06:28 AM PDT
by
hattend
(Stop! No more! The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy and bruised! - Zapp Brannigan:)
To: presidio9
John Kerry is no doubt preparing a speech: "Who demanded armor on these humvees? It wasn't me! I voted against armor! But President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld insisted on armoring these troop transports. I served in Vietnam! If the election had not been stolen from me, we wouldn't be fighting terrorists in Iraq from armored vehicles!"
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:09:01 AM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
(Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
To: Mikey_1962
You change the center of gravity by raising it and the vehicle rolls over...The need for armor became such a political football that basic questions like that got short-shrift.
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:09:11 AM PDT
by
Tallguy
(When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
To: Howlin; neverdem; sionnsar; presidio9
Gee: That's funny: the DEMOCRATS were DEMANDING that we IMMEDIATELY up-armor ALL the Hummers over there.
Gosh.
Do ya think that the DEMOCRATS (and MSM) were more interested in designing and spec'ing the the armor THEY DEMANDED was needed to "protect our soldiers" over there, or more interested in embarrassing Bush by highlighting problems in US equipment?
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:09:53 AM PDT
by
Robert A Cook PE
(I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
To: ClearCase_guy
He was for the armor before he was against it.
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:11:23 AM PDT
by
dirtboy
(When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
To: presidio9
These people completely PISS ME OFF.
They BITCH and SCREAM and MOAN for more armor for the troops, to make it look like they are "for the troops".
They BITCH and SCREAM and MOAN that the armor may be a bad thing, and that it is killing our troops, to make it look like they are "for the troops".
Here's an idea: Ask the troops what they want and give it to them. If they are okay with the decreased speed, maneuverability, mileage and increased COG instability as a trade for increased survivability in a near miss by an IED, fine. If not, don't up armor any more.
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:12:30 AM PDT
by
rlmorel
(John Murtha: Out of touch, Out of His Mind. Lets make him Out of Congress! DIANA IREY FOR CONGRESS!)
To: presidio9
The Humvee was not developed for up armoring, nor was it developed defeat IEDs. It is a light vehicle and should be used as such. The Stryker and Bradley are more suited to do the job that the Humvee is being tasked to do.
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:13:04 AM PDT
by
Doc91678
(Doc91678)
To: presidio9
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:13:05 AM PDT
by
AmishDude
(Everybody loves AmishDude)
To: ClearCase_guy
John Kerry is no doubt preparing a speech: "Who demanded armor on these humvees? It wasn't me! No doubt Algore will state the heavier vehicle plus long deployment is using more fuel and compounding emmissions problems.
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:13:21 AM PDT
by
edpc
To: presidio9
Especially since the MSM caused the armour controversy.
The best modification for the HV (said as a HV owner) in the Bagdad theare:
1. Light arms armour for doors -- stop rifle bullets and that's about it.
2. A supercharger, less offroad-focused tires, and changed gearing to make the damn things quicker, especially 0-40. (Fuel is pletiful and good there.)
They're slow --- 0 to 60 in 14 seconds or something. Add about a hundred horses and get that to 7 seconds.
Best armour is not getting shot.
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:15:15 AM PDT
by
MeanWestTexan
(Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
To: Doc91678
Exactly...it was designed as a replacement for the Jeep.
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:15:32 AM PDT
by
hattend
(Stop! No more! The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy and bruised! - Zapp Brannigan:)
To: presidio9
Thousands of pounds of armor added to military Humvees, intended to protect U.S. troops, have made the vehicles more likely to roll over, killing and injuring soldiers in Iraq, a newspaper reported. New headline replacing old headline of "Lack of armor added to military Humvees have made the vehicles highly vulnerable, killing and injuring soldiers in Iraq, a newspaper reported."
Ain't it easy to be a "Journalist" today?
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:15:35 AM PDT
by
ExSES
(the "bottom-line")
To: Tallguy
"The need for armor became such a political football that basic questions like that got short-shrift."
Exactly, these are the consequences of acting through emotions and political expediency rather than logic.
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:15:35 AM PDT
by
headstamp
(Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
To: Doc91678
Exactly, get some out of work NASCAR guys to design and build war vehicles.
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:15:47 AM PDT
by
norraad
("What light!">Blues Brothers)
To: Doc91678
The problem is that IEDs can't be predicted, so you'd have to use Strykers or Bradleys for virtually every task.
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:16:05 AM PDT
by
AmishDude
(Everybody loves AmishDude)
To: Mikey_1962
call me ignorant but aren't Humvees designed to be fast and lightweight? If you want a protected fighting transport that's why God invented TANKS and Bradley's!
To: Lil'freeper
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posted on
06/12/2006 9:18:18 AM PDT
by
big'ol_freeper
(..it takes some pretty serious yodeling to..filibuster from a five star ski resort in the Swiss Alps)
To: Mikey_1962
Next thing you know they'll be removing the armor from the tanks because it makes them too slow - sitting ducks man!
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