[blam]

There were the same questions on FR.

[Dallas59]

Why couldn't the Indians have come to the Greeks?

[blam]

GGG Ping.

1006 AD Supernova

[KellyAdmirer]

“There are three possible solutions to this

Hey buddy, think again. Does it actually portray the Supernova? Academics can "argue" that it does all they want, doesn't necessarily make it so. I love arguments with built-in constraints that don't match the possibilities. Fine example of building a conclusion out of your fallacious premises.

[HHKrepublican_2]

I live in HoHoKus NJ im guessing that tribe lived right here?

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

“There are three possible solutions to this: Either the Hohokam people had the same name for the constellation as the Greeks, there was significant contact between North America and Europe prior to this date, or the petroglyph is a fake and does not date to that period.”

There is another answer. A bridge culture and we have it in Asia.

Asia had contact with Europe and Asia also had contact with North America. People are so eager to find a Transatlantic connection that they ignore that the Transpacific one was never truly broken.

Scorpio is not a great stretch when it comes to that constellation. It does indeed look like a Scorpion. The interesting one is Ursa Major which is called that by Greeks and American Indians alike.

[FreedomCalls]

"Scorpius is one of the very few constellations that actually resembles the creature it represents, especially with that unmistakable sting in the tail!"

The problem is the "scorpion" depicted in the petroglyph does not have that "unmistakable sting in the tail". It's more of a lobster shape -- all rounded. If anything, it looks more like a depiction of just another desert scorpion than a depiction of the constellation with its characteristic shape.

And then there's the problem with the fact that the petroglyph depicts TWO large scorpions and maybe one or more smaller ones depending on if you interpret the eight-pointed "star" as a star or as another smaller multi-legged scorpion.

[edpc]

As one reader succinctly put it:

“There are three possible solutions to this: Either the Hohokam people had the same name for the constellation as the Greeks, there was significant contact between North America and Europe prior to this date, or the petroglyph is a fake and does not date to that period.”

This is all very cute, but a fourth, more plausible possibility came to me immediately.....

Somone carved a likeness of something they saw in the sky....the supernova. The same artist, or another one, carved something you see quite often in AZ, a scorpion. The two are probably unrelated.

[Finalapproach29er]

bump

[blam]

Scorpius

[FastCoyote]

"There were the same questions on FR."

Here's an even better question: When was the atlatl displaced by the bow and arrow. I don't have the resources to research this, but it appears smaller atlatl points were displaced by arrowheads around 600 AD. That would seem to date the European presence.

[Publius6961]

or the petroglyph is a fake and does not date to that period.”

Why would it have to be a fake? It could predate< that period.
If you draw squiggles on anything, randomly, many people seeing it days or a millenium later will he what he has trained himself to see. It could reperesnt (in someone's future mind) even something that has not yet happened. Fake is a word that comes to mind only if one steadfastedly insists that what one sees today is what the author intended, instead of pure randomness or coincidence.

[RegulatorCountry]

In Judaism, Christianity and Islam, the explanation (regarded as apocryphal in Western Christianity) is that knowledge of how to interpret times, signs and wonders in the skies was given to the people of Earth by the "watchers," who were supernatural/extraterrestrial/angelic beings, who ultimately came into opposition to God, due to their meddling and interbreeding with His creation. Land in the Antediluvian world was not separated by oceans; it was contiguous. The climate was quite different then, with rain being unknown and flora being nourished by mists that arose from the ground. So, in these religions, such knowledge should be present in all peoples, since it was taught prior to whatever caused the deluge and the breakup of what modern science has come to refer to as "Pangaea." The writings regarded as apocryphal by western Christianity that describe this are The Book Of Enoch (I, which has been confirmed as being authentic, having been found at Qumran, and not II, which is believed to have been written in the Middle Ages), The Book Of Jubilees and The Book Of Jasher.

[From many - one.]

I've looked at some of theother signs on the rock and they are also suggestive of contact. To the right of the nova is a squiggle, followed by a curved line followed by a shape.

Try this sequence for size:
scorpius, nova, ophiuchus (snake symbol), saggitarius (bow symbol), capricorn (ram's head)

Breaks down on the extreme right...can't get that rake shape to look like a water bearer.

[fish hawk]

Excuse me but scorpions are all over the world and they all look pretty much alike. The constellation of Scorpio is the one constellation that actually looks like its name. Only people like ancient Eskimos etc. would not know what a scorpion looked like as there are no ice scorpions that we know of.

[SunkenCiv]

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