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Marine Says Rules Were Followed [Haditha]
Washington Post ^ | 6/11/06 | Josh White

Posted on 06/10/2006 7:14:36 PM PDT by saquin

A sergeant who led a squad of Marines during the incident in Haditha, Iraq, that left as many as 24 civilians dead said his unit did not intentionally target any civilians, followed military rules of engagement and never tried to cover up the shootings, his lawyer said.

Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, 26, told his attorney that several civilians were killed Nov. 19 when his squad went after insurgents who were firing at them from inside a house.

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A corporal with the unit leaned over to Wuterich and said he saw the shots coming from a specific house, and after a discussion with the platoon leader, they decided to clear the house, according to Wuterich's account.

"There's a threat, and they went to eliminate the threat," Puckett said.

[...]

Although it was almost immediately apparent to the Marines that the people dead in the room were men, women and children -- most likely civilians -- they also noticed a back door ajar and believed that insurgents had slipped through to a house nearby, Puckett said.

[...]

At one point, they saw a man in all-black clothing running from one of the houses they had searched. The Marines killed him, Puckett said.

They then noticed another man in all black scurrying between two houses across the street. When they went to investigate, the Marines found a courtyard filled with women and children and asked where the man was, Puckett said.

When the civilians pointed to a third house, the Marines attempted to enter and found a man with an AK-47 inside, flanked by three other men; the first Marine to enter tried to fire his weapon, but it jammed, Puckett said. The Marines then killed those four men.

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KEYWORDS: haditha; iraq; marines; msmlies; murthawatch
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To: saquin

I believe & support our troops. I urge you all to start calling your congressmen, senators, and members of the Armed Services Committee. And don't leave out the President and VP on Monday. These troops are being treatd worse than our enemies!


81 posted on 06/10/2006 8:34:16 PM PDT by Libertina (Our troops are INNOCENT until proven otherwise. I'll take their word over the enemy's any day!)
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To: Coop
More details that differ greatly from Mr. Murtha's account of that day.

Guess the high level Pentagon officials Murtha talked to were out of the loop on this one.

82 posted on 06/10/2006 8:34:58 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: xzins
I also think these Marines are innocent. Any Marine Corps member who thinks otherwise is not eligible to sit on the Court Martial.

Wrong. They are entitled to the legal presumption of innocence, but not a prejudice of such.

Would you be open to the prosecution's proof that these Marines committed the atrocities alleged? If not, you would be bounced from a civilian jury (and, I presume, a military court martial). I've seen a juror bounced because, among other things, she was (visibly) rooting for the defense.

83 posted on 06/10/2006 8:34:58 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: jude24

There would be little discernible difference to an untrained villager. And the only accounts so far are from untrained villagers....


84 posted on 06/10/2006 8:35:39 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: xzins
There would be little discernible difference to an untrained villager. And the only accounts so far are from untrained villagers....

In a war-zone like Iraq, there is no such thing as an "untrained villager."

85 posted on 06/10/2006 8:38:10 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: rolling_stone

Lets keep one thing in mind. IF they were here they would target our women and children. Of course they'd probably rape them first along with our pets.

Did anyone from these houses come out to warn the marines there was an IED? No, then they chose their side and their side lost.


86 posted on 06/10/2006 8:38:34 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: jude24
“…the accused must be presumed to be innocent until his guilt is established by legal and competent evidence beyond reasonable doubt.” -- Uniform Code of Military Justice, USC Title 10, Chapter 47, Subchapter VII, Article 51(c)(1)

If a prospective jurer asked by an enquiring attorney for the defense, "Do you think Chaplain X is innocent?" and the prosp. jurer said, "No.", then that jurer is tainted at the outset.

87 posted on 06/10/2006 8:39:34 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: JoanneSD; All

No, phone the President and VP, the Armed Services Committee members, yur congressman and senator. DEMAND our men be unshackled and treated as innocent UNTIL the trial is over. Don't forget to ask why in hell OUR OWN TROOPS are not believed when the enemy makes an accusation. Say you are ashamed of the treatment our American heros are receiving. AFTERWARDS call Murtha's office and let them know how despicable a person he is. BTTT


88 posted on 06/10/2006 8:40:22 PM PDT by Libertina (Our troops are INNOCENT until proven otherwise. I'll take their word over the enemy's any day!)
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To: jude24

Absolutely there is. Determining type of round and angle of entry is not for amateurs. It is a science. Without the equipment, angles, castings, etc., it is impossible to determine.


89 posted on 06/10/2006 8:41:30 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: xzins
If a prospective jurer asked by an enquiring attorney for the defense, "Do you think Chaplain X is innocent?" and the prosp. jurer said, "No.", then that jurer is tainted at the outset.

Wrong.

Jurors are instructed not to come to a conclusion until all the facts are in. The only acceptable answers is some variation of "I don't know." Not "Yes," and not "no." A juror who prejudges guilt or innocence before all the proof is in - either way - will be bounced.

90 posted on 06/10/2006 8:43:32 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: jude24

Time to turn in, Jude. Check with you tomorrow.


91 posted on 06/10/2006 8:43:50 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: jude24

The UCMJ says, "presumed innocent." Are they speaking of real "innocence" or are they speaking of fake innocence? (Seriously....tomorrow. :>)


92 posted on 06/10/2006 8:45:47 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: xzins
Absolutely there is. Determining type of round and angle of entry is not for amateurs. It is a science. Without the equipment, angles, castings, etc., it is impossible to determine.

Who said anything abut bullet trajectories? You've watched too much CSI.

Even the most untrained villager would know the difference between cross-fire entering a house and Marines going door-to-door, lining up people, and shooting them. For starters, in cross-fire, the Marines are much less likely to be entering into people's homes.

93 posted on 06/10/2006 8:46:04 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: Coop

I pray the truth will exonerate our brave Marines.

Thanks for the ping!

Did you hear that Murtha would like to be House Speaker?

Now that prospect should motivate Pubbies and Vets to vote!


94 posted on 06/10/2006 8:51:29 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Katherine Harris is 'In It to Win It' .....Go here: http://www.electharris.org/)
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To: FreedomPoster
This thing is looking more and more like a mediaops setup by our enemies.

That needed a bump to the top.

95 posted on 06/10/2006 8:52:36 PM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: xzins

The presumption of innocence means that if the prosecution's evidence doesn't prove every element of the crime, then they're acquitted. The presumption is rebuttable by the prosecution - and jurors are expected to keep an open mind to the prosecution's evidence.


96 posted on 06/10/2006 8:53:29 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"I'm hoping the investigators and officers conducting this thing do not give in to the pressure from the DemocRATS and the MSM..."
___________________________________________________________

Have you called/e-mailed your CONgresscritters, the President, Vice President and SoD Rumsfeld yet? If they feel no pressure from us, they will succumb to the pressure of the others...just like 30 years ago.

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml

comments@whitehouse.gov

vice_president@whitehouse.gov

public@defenselink.mil
97 posted on 06/10/2006 8:58:50 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Just A Nobody

Oh yeah. They're getting an ear full from me. Of course, McCain's scanner will pick up the word Marine in my letter and I'll get a letter back thanking me for wanting to help save Flipper and his fellow dolphins from extinction. It's happened to me before.


98 posted on 06/10/2006 9:11:00 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (DemocRATS! America's Lynch Mob.)
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To: Chieftain

WINNER! I agree. However, marines have become the plaything of the media and politicians. They are in jail, relieved of command, careers and lives ruined. Innocent they may be, but who will restore their reputations, give them back their honor?


99 posted on 06/10/2006 9:13:48 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (NOT ON MY WATCH!)
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To: saquin

100 posted on 06/10/2006 9:20:01 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("The man was an animal and he deserved what he got. May he rot in hell" -- Paul Bigley)
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