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Paleo-Conservatives Departing The Grand Old Party
Renew America ^ | 6/4/2006 | Bonnie Alba

Posted on 06/10/2006 6:20:18 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

Conservative Republicans held such hopes when Pres. Bush was heralded into office and the Republicans gained control of the Congress. That was then, this is now.

According to recent polls, conservative republicans are perplexed by the non-conservative actions of this president and the Republican-controlled Congress.

As I probed this latest confusion I found that I, and millions of other citizens, are f-o-s-s-i-l-s. According to Wikipedia Encyclopedia online, we are "Paleo" or "Old" conservatives. We are living fossils, 'about-to-become-extinct' hangers-on of the Grand Old Party which no longer appears to represent traditional conservatism.

The Republican Party in its essentials has been taken over by a mutation. Wikipedia describes this line of thought as "Neo" or "New Wave" conservatism. It's tenets are not really new, just enjoined by present-day politicians and citizens as the direction our nation should pursue. But it is contrary to many basic "Paleocon" principles.

"Paleocons" believe in the principles of limited government, limited spending and borrowing, limited intervention into citizens' lives, and states' rights. They also believe in restraint of foreign entanglement, a strong national defense and traditional family values

"Neocons" believe in an agressive foreign policy, empiric intervention in other nations to spread democracy, and global economic-trade policies. Weak on domestic policies, they lack emphasis on national issues. Their vision includes motivating our nation towards what I believe Pres. Bush's father referred to as the "New World Order." Include growth of government and overspending too.

Sound familiar? Now we know why the media refers to Pres. Bush and his administration as "Neocons." Many congressional Republicans belong in this catagory too.

The Republican-controlled Congress has acted and evolved in accordance with the mutant Neocon concept of overspending and overgrowing government, ignoring the burgeoning National and Public Debt approaching $40-60 trillion, most of it owned by foreign investors.

Recent crises and scandals such as social security, medicare, tax reform, earmarks, budget deficits, illegal aliens and gasoline prices gain the media spotlight for a few days or weeks. Then they seem to fade away, crammed together on the "we'll deal with you later"shelf. Always later.

My wake-up call came the morning I woke up to Howard Dean saying, "The first thing we want is tough border control, we have to do a much better job on our borders than George Bush has done." Though I knew this was blatant political rhetoric, it was shocking because I completely agreed with him.

Pres. Bush and the Congress have ignored domestic security of our homeland, borders and ports — until it was raised by the people! But if I agree with a liberal democrat, that does not a democrat make.

It is clear that the Grand Old Party has evolved and mutated which leaves a large conservative group, the Paleocons, scratching their heads and wondering what happened? I, for one, feel isolated from the GOP. The Party has entombed the Paleocons on the sidelines, bleached fossils, puzzled eyes peering at the GOP's total embrace of Neo-conservatism.

There is excited talk about Congress gearing up and acting on a few issues before the upcoming elections so they won't lose voters. I've got news for them. They have already lost citizens like this old fossil, who have reflected on the last five years of non-conservative actions.

Where's the limits on spending, limits on growth in government, adherence to the U.S. Constitution? Where's the traditional values and seeking the good of the nation as a whole instead of the corruptive influence of special interests? Yes, there are a few "Paleocons" in Congress but they are not listened to nor even heard amongst the clamor of "Neocons" and "Liberals" calling each other names.

I am a living fossil as are million of citizens, which brings me to the point. Where's the party that speaks to my conscience? I am past that retort: "Oh no! you must vote Republican or the Democrats will win!" Oh Please! I say — so what? Has it made any difference?

The Grand Old Party appears to have accepted this "Neocon" mutation, to move towards a world economy policy, open borders and the "New World Order." Why would I, this old fossil of white-bleached bones, vote for any republican candidate? No longer does the Republican Party speak to or for my "conscience."

As for this Paleocon, I am searching for a party that matches my "conscience." This is the one freedom citizens still have in this country — a citizen's privilege and responsibility to vote his or her "conscience." This old fossil takes this duty seriously.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 3rdpartyidiot; ancienttimes; bs; conservatives; darkages; getjobspaleos; gop; howarddean; irrelevant; livinginavacuum; losers; mnjohnnieisback; neoconservatives; parishandpoverty; propaganda; vote3rdpartyandlose; whitetrash
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To: A. Pole

Actually, there is considereable intelleigence showing Iraqi intelligence worked with Al Qaeda in the 1990's incluiding a plot in the mid-90s in the Phillipines to hijaak airliners.


221 posted on 06/10/2006 3:33:15 PM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: A. Pole
Not true. They believe in NORMAL tariffs as there were used over 200 years of US history.
Which puts them at ods with their support for the Confederacy.

The truth is that Paeloconservatism was cobbled together in the 1980's as anti-neoconservatism, not as a coherent political ideology.

222 posted on 06/10/2006 3:36:48 PM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: pissant
Actually, neocons like immigration.
The Security-minded ones do allow some rationality to intervene in their globalist agenda. They don't want enemies to immigrate and they want immigrants to Americanize.
However, Bill Kristol and friends have no problem with any number of immigrants.
223 posted on 06/10/2006 3:48:31 PM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Reagan 76

You do realise that most Paleoconervatives consider Buckley a neocon (actually he is a fusionist-conservative), and saw Reagan was weak.


224 posted on 06/10/2006 3:53:18 PM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Mamzelle
. It was the doing of the neo intellectuals. Kristol, Krauthammer, Barnes, McCain, Biden and Albright joined up to prod Clinton into sending the US into the Balkan war. Clinton would never have done it without cover from "conservatives".
Historical check-
Biden is a leftist and Albright a liberal. Krauthammer opposed the Kosovo war.
225 posted on 06/10/2006 3:59:15 PM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
They didn't come in here via "open borders", so that is is an amazingly ridiculous thing to say and furthermore has absolutely nothing to do with my point.

When Sept. 11 hijackers Hani Hanjour and Khalid Almihdhar needed help getting fraudulent government-issued photo IDs before embarking on their suicide mission, they hopped into a van and headed to the parking lot of a 7-Eleven store in Falls Church, Va. That's where scores of illegal alien day laborers ply bogus identity documents to other illegal aliens from around the world.

I visited this 7-Eleven while reporting on the national security-immigration nexus. It is a stone's throw from the Pentagon, where Hanjour and Almihdhar deliberately drove Flight 77 into the ground. The parking lot is still to this day often filled with "undocumented" day laborers whom President Bush never fails to extol for doing the jobs Americans won't do (or "aren't doing," as he now hedges).

Local cops I have interviewed suspect that most of these men are here illegally and that they continue to facilitate trade in fake identification documents. But nobody arrests them. We are, as the Million Illegal Alien Marches have demonstrated, a de facto sanctuary nation.

One of the illegal aliens at that 7-Eleven was Luis Alonso Martinez-Flores, a 28-year-old Salvadoran who had been in the United States illegally since 1994. He got in the van and directed the jihadis to a Department of Motor Vehicles Express office nearby; they obtained photo IDs using bogus residential info supplied by Martinez-Flores. That info was also used on ID forms for two other hijackers.

The illegal alien earned $100. One hundred and eighty-four people paid with their lives.

Michelle Malkin
226 posted on 06/10/2006 4:07:33 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave; Republican Wildcat

Good one, Mojave. I knew that, just didn't know where to find it.
Soooooo. Illegal aliens helped with their papers (as some of them overstayed their visas, which is also illegal.)


227 posted on 06/10/2006 4:21:34 PM PDT by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist, cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: meema
Yep. Conservatives are evil ignorant "isolationists" while neo-conservatives are wise and kind.

Just ask 'em.

228 posted on 06/10/2006 4:25:09 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Ah, they came in doing things illegally - that's not "open borders" ... in any event, that still has nothing to do with the original discussion. This is side-tracking.


229 posted on 06/10/2006 4:48:44 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Mamzelle; Republican Wildcat
re: The main difference between Paleocons and Neocons is that Neocons have evolved to recognize that in a world with ICBMs, Terrorism, etc. that an isolationist National Security policy does not and cannot work.)))

My take (and I find myself edging ever closer to traditional populists every year) is that what you call "paleos" are not so much nationalist as Ameerica Firsters. I don't mind at all putting the interests of Americans first.

Neos want also to avoid the nasty truth about the Balkan turnover to the radical Islamists. It was the doing of the neo intellectuals. Kristol, Krauthammer, Barnes, McCain, Biden and Albright joined up to prod Clinton into sending the US into the Balkan war. Clinton would never have done it without cover from "conservatives".

Don't believe me? Google these keywords "Neoconservative Balkans" and "Neoconservative Kristol Balkans" and read all your hegemonic heart desires from the American Prospect.

Neos have a lot to answer for. Now they want to hand over US sovereignty to Mexico, and with that--you've just lost Joe Sixpack. And there's a lot more Joes than elitist Fred Barnes out there.

Good one, Mamzelle. And that's the end of the story.
We will make sure that everyone knows what you, GWB and the Senate Democrats have in store for the USofA and Mexico.
Most people know already, and we will not let them forget.

230 posted on 06/10/2006 4:52:32 PM PDT by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist, cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

I quoted her and was responding to her... not you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


231 posted on 06/10/2006 4:53:13 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Theodore R.
Ironically, though, Newt was a GA delegate for Nelson Rockefeller at the 1968 convention in Miami Beach.

'Zat so?! Wow. That dates me. Bizarre if true. And I agree with your larger point:

I don't think we can put much confidence in him, and neither do his two previous wives.

I suspect we need to junk the entire upper tier of leadership and start afresh. We need to draft people who have been thorns in the side of that old failed and traitorous leadership.

They may not be always pure, but faced with what we currently do...they are vast improvements over Bush/Specter/McCain/Snowe/Hagel/Lugar/Collins/Coleman etc.:

People like:

J.D. Hayworth

Duncan Hunter

Curt Weldon

Tom Tancredo

Mike Pence

John Thun


232 posted on 06/10/2006 4:55:49 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: eleni121

Look at the Dem platform when Hubert Humphrey was running. They were more conservative than Pubs today. Also Jack Kennedy signed a bill lowering taxes.


233 posted on 06/10/2006 7:21:15 PM PDT by tertiary01
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To: eleni121

Look at the Dem platform when Hubert Humphrey was running. They were more conservative than Pubs today. Also Jack Kennedy signed a bill lowering taxes.


234 posted on 06/10/2006 7:22:29 PM PDT by tertiary01
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To: Reagan 76
Actually, Rumsfeld/Bush/Romney's etc. spent most of the late seventies twice working against Reagan in the primaries. Guys like Jesse Helms, Paul Laxalt, Bill Buckley and Pat B were the keys to electing Reagan and all worked in or with the administration.

For many it is ancient and forgotten history.

235 posted on 06/10/2006 7:35:02 PM PDT by A. Pole (Orwell:He who controls the present, controls the past.He who controls the past, controls the future.)
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To: Paul Ross

Paul, I believe that GWB did say a year or so ago that the IRS would NOT honor any gay marriages. But he didn't say it very forcefully or very often. I suspect that he hated to sound "divisive." Some think the mere fact that gay marriage is being discussed and very likely to happen in B.C. words, "sooner, rather than later," means the fate of the USA is sealed to doom.


236 posted on 06/10/2006 7:35:27 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: Reagan 76

Rumsfeld was Nixon's head of the antipoverty program, I believe. That's how Phil Crane got into Congress, succeeding Rumsfeld in a special election.


237 posted on 06/10/2006 7:36:39 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: frogjerk
"None of the 9/11 bombers were from Iraq" Did we attack Afghanistan or Iraq first?

What is your point?

238 posted on 06/10/2006 7:38:06 PM PDT by A. Pole (Orwell:He who controls the present, controls the past.He who controls the past, controls the future.)
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To: frogjerk
"None of the 9/11 bombers were from Iraq." Iraq attacked Kuwait.

So the attack on Kuwait is the latest reason?

239 posted on 06/10/2006 7:39:14 PM PDT by A. Pole (Orwell:He who controls the present, controls the past.He who controls the past, controls the future.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
[One of the illegal aliens at that 7-Eleven was Luis Alonso Martinez-Flores, a 28-year-old Salvadoran who had been in the United States illegally since 1994. He got in the van and directed the jihadis to a Department of Motor Vehicles Express office nearby; they obtained photo IDs using bogus residential info supplied by Martinez-Flores. That info was also used on ID forms for two other hijackers. The illegal alien earned $100. One hundred and eighty-four people paid with their lives.]

that's not "open borders"

That's not honesty.

240 posted on 06/10/2006 9:21:13 PM PDT by Mojave
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