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We Muslims have work to do
Toronto Sun ^ | 2006-06-10 | Salim Mansur

Posted on 06/10/2006 5:27:33 AM PDT by Clive

Muslim Canadians, as Muslims elsewhere in Western societies, have felt increasingly besieged for some time now, both from outside their community and from within.

This sense of isolation, of being misrepresented and misunderstood, will inevitably deepen as the full story unfolds of the arrests of 17 Toronto-area Muslims on terrorism charges.

But whose fault is this? Let us, Muslims, be brutally honest.

We have inherited a culture of denial, of too often refusing to acknowledge our own responsibility for the widespread malaise that has left most of the Arab-Muslim countries in economic, political and social disrepair.

Statistics and intergovernmental reports over the past several decades have documented a gap, perhaps now unbridgeable, between Muslim countries and the advanced industrial democracies in the West.

In a recent "failed states index" published in the journal Foreign Policy (May/June 2006), Pakistan, for instance, is ranked among the top 10 failed states in the world -- ahead of Afghanistan. Pakistan is a Muslim country, a nuclear military power, but it can barely feed, clothe, educate and shelter its population.

The reports on the Arab countries are a dismal catalogue of entrenched tyrannies, failing economies, squandered wealth, gender oppression, persecution of minorities and endemic violence. The cleric-led regime in Iran seeks nuclear weapons and threatens to obliterate Israel, repress domestic opposition, and seek confrontation with the West.

Instead of acknowledging the reality of the Arab-Muslim world as a broken civilization, we Muslims tend to indulge instead in blaming others for our ills; deflecting our responsibilities for failures that have become breeding grounds of violence and terrorism.

Many of our intellectuals in public life and our religious leaders in mosques remain adept in double-speak, saying contrary things in English or French and then in Arabic or Farsi or Urdu.

We have made hypocrisy an art, and have spun for ourselves a web of lies that blinds us to the real world around us.

We seethe with grievances and resentment against the West, even as we have prospered in the freedom and security of Western democracies.

We have inculcated into our children false pride, and given them a sense of history that crumbles under critical scrutiny. We have burdened them with conflicting loyalties -- and now some of them have become our nightmare.

We preach tolerance yet we are intolerant. We demand inclusion, yet we practise exclusion of gender, of minorities, of those with whom we disagree.

We repeat endlessly that Islam is a religion of peace, yet too many of us display conduct contrary to what we profess.

We keep assuring ourselves and others that Muslims who violate Islam are a minuscule minority, yet we fail to hold this minority accountable in public.

A bowl of milk turns into curd with a single drop of lemon. The minuscule minority we blame is this drop of lemon that has curdled and made a shambles of our Islam, yet too many of us insist against all evidence our belief somehow sets us apart as better from others.

In Islam, we insist, religion and politics are inseparable. As a result, politics dominates our religion -- and our religion has become a cover for tribalism and nationalism.

We regularly quote from the Koran, but do not make repentance for our failings as the Koran instructs, by seeking forgiveness of those who we have harmed.

We Muslims are the source of our own misery, and we are not misunderstood by others who see in our conduct a threat to their peace.


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To: observer5
The Muslims will never understand their problem.

The true root to their problem is that deep down in whats left of their souls, they know they have no real God! They pray to a borg cube 5 times a day, and are instructed to hate and kill for an insecure hateful God by a Prophet who was murdering pedophiie who later admitted being possed by the devil!

The Mo'hammad Factor!


41 posted on 06/10/2006 6:49:03 AM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: Clive
We keep assuring ourselves and others that Muslims who violate Islam are a minuscule minority

I think this author represents the peaceful minuscule minority within Islam.

42 posted on 06/10/2006 7:09:09 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Clive
Muslim Canadians, as Muslims elsewhere in Western societies, have felt increasingly besieged for some time now, both from outside their community and from within.

Cry me a river
43 posted on 06/10/2006 7:13:21 AM PDT by Vision ("America's best days lie ahead. You ain't seen nothing yet"- Reagan)
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To: observer5

"The Muslims will never understand their problem.
It is simple. Whenever you put mullas and clerics in charge of state affairs, you have desaster.
Because the western cultures have discovered that a couple of hundred years ago, their societies prosper."
If someone wants to be Muslim-American, that's fine. But they don't.


44 posted on 06/10/2006 7:17:47 AM PDT by Nickey (Loose Lips Sink Ships.)
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To: Clive
The problem is not "muslims, it's the Koran/Islam!

Islam created Al Zarqawi, Al Zarqawi didn't create Islam!

Islam continues to create "Zarqawi's."

When someone states that they are a muslim then the rest of the world must assume that they take their Koran, which was written by their terrorist founder/leader, and actually believe it. A strange concept for many.

As such, the rest of the world must believe that they believe what's in the Koran. Lovely, peaceful things such as:

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah

[4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[4.95] The holders back from among the believers, not having any injury, and those who strive hard in Allah's way with their property and their persons are not equal

[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.11] But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith

So much for religious freedom, eh!!

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

[9.33] He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

Until these things go away, i.e., until the Koran is no more, then a problem exists. Pardon the many of us that do not wish to:

Pay a "superiority (inferiority) tax!"

Want to be classified as "unequal!"

Want to be "seized and killed!"

Want to be "slain!"

Want to be convert to Islam!

Want to see Islam "dominate the world!"

These are the problems, not individual muslims that may or may not believe in large and oft-repeated parts of the Koran and in Mohammed's terrorist, militant, and ultra-violent teachings!!!

So, until "muslims" quit believing in such things, which would make them non-muslims, then nothing will change in terms of threats to civil peoples. If they don't believe those things, then why are they muslim and continue to believe in such violent doctrine(s)??? If they do, then again, we have a problem!

It really isn't complicated, really! All one has to do is to read the first ten chapters or so of the Koran (at least), and then figure that people, namely muslims either believe that rot, or that they don't. If they do, then a very serious problem exists to any hopes of perpetuating civil and peaceful societies where Islam exists.

If they do not, then why are they "muslims?" If I claimed to be Mormon but believed nothing of the Book of Mormon, what kind of a Mormon would that make me? Or any other religion for the most part.

For some reason however, the world sticks its head in the sand regarding Mohammed, Islam, and the horrendous Nazi-like beliefs that it puts forth, very forcefully it can be added.

So Mr. Mansur, I would even challenge you! Do you believe what the Koran says as penned by the founder of your "religion?" Yes or No.

If yes, then what gives you the right to alter what the founder of your religion has written?? Why should we automatically assume that you don't believe a good chunk of it?

If not, then why do you continue to cling to being muslim?? Renounce it and begin introspecting as to the true "meaning of life." Perhaps then those of us "non-muslims" may begin to believe you and other muslims that cling to the Koran yet discuss things contrary to it.

That's something for "you muslims" to think about.

45 posted on 06/10/2006 7:18:38 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Sometimes A River

No, because (as he admits), he will say one thing in English, and in his native tongue, he will call for Jihad.

That is exactly how they infiltrate us.


46 posted on 06/10/2006 7:19:01 AM PDT by Nickey (Loose Lips Sink Ships.)
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To: Clive
I'm counting the seconds until a fatwah is declared against the writer.
47 posted on 06/10/2006 7:21:58 AM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: Fruitbat
excellent point.....
I too believe muslims must do what is necessary with their trash (koran / islam) and take it to the curb to be taken to the landfill, where the lies of their holy book (koran) and religion (islam) can be given a suitable burial.

IMHO

48 posted on 06/10/2006 7:30:42 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Make them legal one more time. Yes this plan will work. <sarcasm>)
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To: no-to-illegals

Yes if someone will truly renounce Mohammedan muslim/terrorism and Islamofascism then maybe they can be with peaceable people.

We should send the rest back. This is the land of the free, not those who hate freedom. Koran is clearly violent, anti-freedom.


49 posted on 06/10/2006 7:37:11 AM PDT by Nickey (Loose Lips Sink Ships.)
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To: svxdave
Islam needs its Martin Luther

I agree but we must remember that before Luther, there was John Huss. He preached the same message that Luther preached, but was vilified and eventually martyred. Luther's message succeeded a hundred years later.

It might take a century of of brave men calling for the reformation of Islam before their Luther emerges.
50 posted on 06/10/2006 7:38:44 AM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: no-to-illegals
All I ask is that they either state that they adhere to the Koran or don't. If so, then they should also admit that they "take to task" all that is within it and quit cowering behind ridiculous notions that those things are not in it.

If not, then why the charade. Why would anyone adhere to a "religion" that they didn't believe in. So many Catholics that I know don't believe what the Catholic church actually teaches for instance. So why are they Catholics then? It makes no sense.

The same applies here. Muslims talk as if what I posted from the Koran doesn't exist. Well, it does, and it's an enormous problem for anyone non-muslim, ... I'd say! And again, I didn't write it. All I did was read it and say, "hey, wait a minute here..."

Unless people enjoy living in fear and oppression even to the point of being beheaded or killed violently otherwise that is.

I.e. I'll start believing it when droves of muslims begin denouncing Islam!

51 posted on 06/10/2006 7:39:06 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Clive

Islam is not a religion - it is a tyranny. The keystone to the reform of Islam is this: a Muslim must be able to choose not to be a Muslim without threat from other Muslims.


52 posted on 06/10/2006 7:40:57 AM PDT by Noumenon (Liberals: America's domestic enemies. Treat them as such.)
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To: Clive

He gets it, he really gets it...


53 posted on 06/10/2006 7:42:24 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: Nickey

Let's not be hasty, here. You know that it's only 99% of Muslims that make the other 1% look bad.


54 posted on 06/10/2006 7:42:38 AM PDT by Noumenon (Liberals: America's domestic enemies. Treat them as such.)
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To: The Electrician
He gets it, he really gets it...

Let me ask you, if he "really gets it," then why does he cling to "being muslim?"

Does he believe what his own Koran (i.e. Mohammed, Islam's founder) says, or not?

If so, how does he reconcile what the Koran/Mohammed says with his own words?

55 posted on 06/10/2006 7:45:29 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Noumenon

LOL! Yes! Maybe we should have put Zarqawi on trial! Or sent him to therapy!!


56 posted on 06/10/2006 7:45:46 AM PDT by Nickey (Loose Lips Sink Ships.)
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To: The Electrician

PS Because the two are at odds with one another.


57 posted on 06/10/2006 7:45:48 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat
I'll start believing it when droves of muslims begin denouncing Islam!

as will I.
One can't take the devil to bed and expect to wake up without a pitchfork in the back.

58 posted on 06/10/2006 7:50:18 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Make them legal one more time. Yes this plan will work. <sarcasm>)
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To: Clive
These people remind me of what Jesus said in Matthew 23:25-28:

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness. So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."

59 posted on 06/10/2006 7:50:53 AM PDT by Theo
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To: Clive

Some posters have pointed out that this columnist has been saying the same since day one. My feeling is that he does so in order to continue freely living and working in the west. If he knows what Islam is and does, yet continues to be a Muslim then he is complicit in, and tacitly supportive of their actions.


60 posted on 06/10/2006 7:57:59 AM PDT by D1X1E (Don't hold a protest sign in my face then try to tell me you support the troops.)
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