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Hooray for the Death Tax!
Townhall ^ | 6/9/2006 | Larry Kudlow

Posted on 06/09/2006 6:30:26 PM PDT by wjersey

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To: FairOpinion
Only American Citizens get the deduction. That is 2 million this year.

If your parents as an example are legal here, but are Japanese and never became citizens and die in a plane accident (God forbid). Their estate would be taxed full on at some low level like 25k.

Many non-citizens don't realize that.
121 posted on 06/09/2006 11:34:05 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Mamzelle
It's SATIRE! Sadly, you took the article as straight forward. Why is that?
122 posted on 06/09/2006 11:36:19 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: A CA Guy

"Only American Citizens get the deduction. That is 2 million this year."


Interesting. That would discourage people from bringing and creating wealth in this country.


123 posted on 06/09/2006 11:37:19 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

Actually it encourages people to become citizens....we have friends who are Canadian....who after 20+ years of living here...raising there kids here....became citizens when they found out about the tax implications.


124 posted on 06/09/2006 11:41:50 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: FairOpinion

You would be surprised about what some people assume and don't know.

Many come from places like Korea, buy properties and make large estates.
They pass without becoming citizens and their estate gets taxed away at near some level like 45%.

YIKES!

The same US citizens might avoid all taxes unless their estates are very very loaded.


125 posted on 06/09/2006 11:44:19 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: wjersey

My understanding is that the top 5% of the wealthiest class control 90% of the wealth. There's something really loop-sided about that. So I have no pity for the rich, or those "conservatives" that have lost there way....


126 posted on 06/09/2006 11:44:41 PM PDT by Tempest (I'm a Christian. Before I am a conservative.)
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To: Tempest

It's more like the top 5% pays 90% of the taxes.


127 posted on 06/09/2006 11:51:52 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: goodnesswins

In addition, neither Canada or USA allows today their citizens to drop their citizen ship if they go to the other country.

They only allow duel citizenship between those two nations because so many that changed have wanted to change back.


128 posted on 06/09/2006 11:55:36 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

I pay far more than my "fair share".

I've paid my way, my families way and all my immediate relatives way and then some.

The government has gotten enough from me.

I really resent the implication you're making.


129 posted on 06/10/2006 3:07:45 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: wjersey

Quite a few of the wealthiest people are in favor of inheritance taxes--many, because they have already prevented their kids from having to pay such taxes.

Bill Gates is in favor of inheritance taxes
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_inheritance.html


130 posted on 06/10/2006 3:43:24 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or your with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"this shure blows it on bill gates."

See my comment #130 regarding Bill Gates and inheritance taxes.
131 posted on 06/10/2006 3:50:55 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or your with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
We aren't taxing rich people. The rich people are dead.

Not only that, the "rich people" who happen to die early, who are being hit by big taxes aren't really rich. Many in the middle class are being hit with the death tax (just like the AMT - I have to figure out my taxes two ways). Modest homes are worth $500K-$1000K in many places. Combine that with a reasonable retirement nest-egg ($1 to $1.5 million, it is prudent to have sufficient savings to be able to sustain your lifestyle with a 4% to 5% annual withdrawal, = $40K-$75K from the nest-egg), you're there.

People have been inflated into being rich! Just like the inflation after the big bang, middle class drones are being redefined as the "super rich" who are subject to excessive taxation, and common derision.

I'm there (3-5 years from retirement), many of my (most assuredly, middle class) colleges are there - and I'm certainly not rich. Modest 2000 sq. ft. home, 6 year old car, no yacht (not even a boat), no second vacation home, no housekeeper, pinch pennies to invest, do my own laundry, worry about gas prices, shop at Wal-Mart. What was it, 10 years ago that the "Millionaire Next Door" was published? Since then 20% (pure speculation - but including me) more of the population has been "inflated" into this class.

My state takes a big bite (which by the way, is no longer a deduction from the federal take - it used to be), and the feds will take a big bite, certainly if the old tax rates come back (2012 is is? - $1M exemption, 55% of the remainder - as well as 5-15% state tax, on the gross). My premature death (and many other middle class worker bees) will be a windfall for the tax men (soak the rich, indeed)!

132 posted on 06/10/2006 5:38:12 AM PDT by GregoryFul (cheap, immigrant labor built America)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Then join with millions of us in supporting the FairTax.

It's time for the FaairTax!!

133 posted on 06/10/2006 6:03:18 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: cpdiii

Didn't your parents "do anything for you"???


134 posted on 06/10/2006 6:06:41 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: A CA Guy
It would be far, far better (and less expensive) to pass the FairTax and dispense with all the extraneous nonsense by not taxing estates AT ALL.

It can be done very easily and will help boost the economy overall as well.
135 posted on 06/10/2006 6:17:07 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Proper estate planning preserves wealth, just as proper retirement planning preserves a life style you want to live. However, how many people actually do one or the other, much less both?
136 posted on 06/10/2006 7:03:28 AM PDT by baltoga
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To: proxy_user
If all fortunes were earned, wealthy people would be much more likely to be conservatives, since they would have to understand how the world really works in order to become successful. This would cut down on the Kennedys and Rockefellers.

Not all inherited wealth is multi-millions of dollars. When my Dad died, his wealth including his own home, equaled about 1.1 million. We had to sell his home, which when dead you do not get the $250,000 capital gains exemption any more, sell his car, all his stocks and pay over 50% on the 100,000. Remember it is 46% fed, another 9+ percent state!! So my brothers and I, at 50 years old inherited about $300,000 each. We all bought real estate, and businesses with that money. Then hired people to help us with our investments and that $300,000 is worth much more, to then pass onto our children. In most cases when "children" inherit money they are 50 or more years old and don't automatically turn into slackers and spend it all blindly.

The main point here is my Dad already paid tax on all the money he left to us. And those that say we win life's lottery, believe me I would rather have my Dad and Mom than their money.

137 posted on 06/10/2006 7:48:16 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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To: thirst4truth
Good for you ... then support the FairTax so you don't get taken from you much of the money they hoped to leave all of you.

It's time for the FairTax!!!

138 posted on 06/10/2006 7:54:23 AM PDT by pigdog
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To: FairOpinion

I was responding to a poster who pointed out that Ludlow was an Open Borders supporter. Hope it doesn't come as too big a shock for you.


139 posted on 06/10/2006 8:17:37 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: nopardons
Taken as satire or not, the point is "why should we hate rich people"--to which I responded, more or less, "why should we love them, when they have so little love for the average guy's plight?"

The goal of all satire and irony is to make a point from a different direction. Sadly, you don't understand that the point is still the same. Why is that?

140 posted on 06/10/2006 8:21:07 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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