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Let doctors kill without consent, says ethics expert
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Posted on 06/09/2006 10:46:57 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly

DOCTORS should be allowed to help to kill terminally ill patients with or without their consent, a leading professor of medical ethics said yesterday.

Emeritus Professor Len Doyal said that doctor-assisted deaths were already taking place in Britain on a “regular and recurring basis” and needed to be better regulated.

He said that many doctors took part in a form of euthanasia by withdrawing essential treatment to “alleviate suffering”.

Writing in the Royal Society of Medicine journal Clinical Ethics, Professor Doyal said: “When doctors withdraw life-sustaining treatment, such as feeding tubes from severely incompetent patients, it should morally be recognised for what it is — euthanasia where death is foreseen with certainty.

“Doctors may not want to admit this and couch their decision in terms such as ‘alleviating suffering’ but withdrawal of life-sustaining treatment from severely incompetent patients is morally equivalent to active euthanasia.”

Professor Doyal, who is Professor of Medical Ethics at Queen Mary, University of London and has been a member of the medical ethics committee of the British Medical Association for nine years, added: “If doctors can already choose not to keep uncomprehending patients alive because they believe that life is of no further benefit to them, why should their death be needlessly prolonged? “It is ironic that much of the debate about euthanasia has been so focused on competent patients. Withdrawing feeding tubes, ventilators or antibiotics from incompetent patients may result in a slow, painful and incomprehensible death that could be avoided through the legalisation of non-voluntary active euthanasia.”

Professor Doyal also criticised Lord Joffe’s Assisted Dying Bill — which would make it legal to prescribe drugs that a terminally ill person could take to end their life — for not going far enough.

Lord Joffe, a former human rights lawyer and a former chairman of Oxfam, estimated that 650 people would use the medication every year. However, Anglican and Catholic leaders have spoken out against voluntary euthanasia.

Referring specifically to the Joffe Bill, Professor Doyal claimed: “Some supporters of euthanasia remain silent about non-voluntary euthanasia, presumably because they believe that focusing on voluntary euthanasia offers a better chance of legalisation.

“Yet, in doing so, they ignore important arguments for their own position.

“If doctors are now allowed control and should be able to exert even more control over the deaths of severely incompetent patients, why should competent patients not be able to control the circumstances of their own deaths if this is what they wish? “Proponents of voluntary euthanasia should support non-voluntary euthanasia under appropriate circumstances and with proper regulation.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; deathcult; eugenics; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; murder; nazi; psychopath
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

Ugh.


42 posted on 06/09/2006 12:20:08 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Terri Schiavo -- never forget!!!)
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To: Centurion2000

No, most vote for the libs.


43 posted on 06/09/2006 12:26:32 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
It's already happening; doc left my 66 y/o sick mother to die by with-holding treatment when we had a window of opportunity for quality life for a few more years. I had to "steal" her away after she quit walking.

Oh, the doctor? From Pakistan ... and ohhhh...do NOT get me started there!
44 posted on 06/09/2006 12:32:16 PM PDT by Smarti Pants (This American Patriot will never forget !!! Give me Liberty or Give Me Death!)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly; All
To me, these are the defining issues of our times:

-Men(ace) in Black? SCOTUS goes Rogue...--

-Useless Eaters vs The Death Cult--

-Thunder on the Border-- (Minuteman Project)--

1- an unaccountable Judiciary.
2- whose life is it, anyway? Yours, or someone else's?
3- whose Country is it?

There are other vital issues, of course- but these three will determine just who we really are as a nation.

45 posted on 06/09/2006 12:35:32 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

The careless ones already do this.


46 posted on 06/09/2006 12:37:24 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
DOCTORS should be allowed to help to kill terminally ill patients with or without their consent, a leading professor of medical ethics said yesterday.

Emeritus Professor Len Doyal said that doctor-assisted deaths were already taking place in Britain on a “regular and recurring basis” and needed to be better regulated.

So Len wants the doctors to be able to kill without the patients consent, but in the next paragraph he calls for such “to be better regulated”.

Obviously a brilliant moonbat liberal.

47 posted on 06/09/2006 12:51:41 PM PDT by RJL
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To: 1FASTGLOCK45
I think you skipped the part

I didn't skip that part. Nor did I refer to it in what I quoted from the article. See, the thing is, when you quote just a point from the post, that is logically what one is responding to.

Sorry you wasted your time, okay?

48 posted on 06/09/2006 1:53:51 PM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: darkangel82

I need to re-read 1984 and Brave New World.


49 posted on 06/09/2006 2:23:53 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly; Alexander Rubin; An American In Dairyland; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; BIRDS; ...
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50 posted on 06/09/2006 2:44:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

Before any doc can croak anyone, all I can say is, you first, Lenny.


51 posted on 06/09/2006 3:06:53 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Go Team Venture!)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

-there must be a chapter on this in Ann's new book......


52 posted on 06/09/2006 3:14:54 PM PDT by tioga
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
euthanasia where death is foreseen with certainty.

Every single person on the planet will face death. That is certain. Therefore, everyone should be euthanized.

53 posted on 06/09/2006 3:16:42 PM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
Emeritus Professor Len Doyal said that doctor-assisted deaths were already taking place in Britain on a “regular and recurring basis”

This is a necessary component of socialized medicine. The more socialized our system becomes the more insistent will be the calls for "euthanasia" and the more it will be practiced with or without legal sanction.

54 posted on 06/09/2006 3:59:08 PM PDT by arthurus (It was better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

Hmm...Terri Shiavo anyone?


Her husband gave consent. Apparently in United Kingdom they will not even have to get a husband or wife's request. Kinda scarry. Terri fought a good fight and now is at peace with God. All of us down here should let her sould rest.


55 posted on 06/09/2006 4:06:11 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: jebeier
Exactly!

Follow the money (it ain't in keeping medically vulnerable people alive).

I do have to wonder if liberals get it....why would any one want someone else (the government) to have that much power over them? I got into a fight with a liberal a few weeks ago and she became indignant b/c I was pointing out the socialist slope this country is on...she got mad that I called "her country" socialist! She was (is) pro-Dean, pro-big government and wants "nationalized health care" but doesn't think she is socialist!? How the heck can a liberal not see how socialist liberals are?....guess it is the elitism and hypocrisy that is core to them.
56 posted on 06/09/2006 5:34:16 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: chesley
I long ago came to the conclusion that "ethics" are morals for people that don't have any.

That's great.

57 posted on 06/09/2006 7:21:01 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Brilliant

Wide is the path and broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are there who follow it.


58 posted on 06/09/2006 7:22:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: little jeremiah
It's beginning to look like you don't need to reread it. Sadly, it appears that we're living it.
59 posted on 06/09/2006 7:26:54 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: be4everfree
Yes but "He'll be stone dead in a moment"

Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.

60 posted on 06/09/2006 7:45:32 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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