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Concern Growing Over U.S. Troops' Ammo
CBS News ^ | June 7 2006

Posted on 06/07/2006 5:42:42 PM PDT by jmc1969

As American troop casualties in Iraq continue to mount, concern is growing they may be outgunned. That includes new questions about the stopping power of the ammunition that is used by the standard-issue M-16 rifle.

Shortly after the U.N. headquarters was bombed in Baghdad in August 2003, a Special Forces unit went to Ramadi to capture those responsible.

In a fierce exchange of gunfire, one insurgent was hit seven times by 5.56 mm bullets, reports CBS News chief investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian. It took a shot to the head with a pistol to finally bring him down. But before he died, he killed two U.S. soldiers and wounded seven more.

"The lack of the lethality of that bullet has caused United States soldiers to die," says Maj. Anthony Milavic.

Milavic is a retired Marine major who saw three tours of duty in Vietnam. He says the small-caliber 5.56, essentially a .22-caliber civilian bullet, is far better suited for shooting squirrels than the enemy, and contends that urban warfare in Iraq demands a bigger bullet. "A bullet that knocks the man down with one shot," he says. "And keeps him down."

Milavic is not alone. In a confidential report to Congress last year, active Marine commanders complained that: "5.56 was the most worthless round," "we were shooting them five times or so," and "torso shots were not lethal."

In last week's Marine Corps Times, a squad leader said his Marines carried and used "found" enemy AK-47s because that weapon's 7.62 mm bullets packed "more stopping power."

(Excerpt) Read more at kutv.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 556; m1; m14; m16; marines; milavic; rifle; usmc
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1 posted on 06/07/2006 5:42:44 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

.308 would be my caliber of choice.


2 posted on 06/07/2006 5:44:45 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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Bring back the M-14 with 3 round fire capability! 7.62 will put them down to stay!


3 posted on 06/07/2006 5:45:35 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amensty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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Right.

4 posted on 06/07/2006 5:45:41 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Make Love, Not Cartoons. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: jmc1969
This is just cyclical news. This issue comes up about 4 times a year.
5 posted on 06/07/2006 5:46:47 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Make Love, Not Cartoons. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: jmc1969

History often repeats itself when fighting Muslims or fanatics.

The .45 round was created to put down people like that.


6 posted on 06/07/2006 5:47:23 PM PDT by Marius3188 (Happy Resurrection Weekend)
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To: jmc1969

The M-16 ammo has the advantage of being light weight and easier to carry, but I'd still rather weigh myself down a little more and use .308 in combat, assuming my rifle is good.


7 posted on 06/07/2006 5:47:31 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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As American troop casualties in Iraq Detroit and Washington DC continue to mount, concern is growing they may be outgunned.
8 posted on 06/07/2006 5:47:41 PM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses.)
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It took a shot to the head with a pistol to finally bring him down. But before he died, he killed two U.S. soldiers and wounded seven more.

Most likely high on drugs; bring back the dum-dum bullet.

9 posted on 06/07/2006 5:47:45 PM PDT by demlosers
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Good grief! This has been an issue since Vietnam and CBS just discovered our troops are undergunned? Somehow I doubt the seriousness of their concern.


10 posted on 06/07/2006 5:48:29 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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The M16 can be chambered to handle much more powerful cartridges. They've tested the new Remmington 6.8 SPC and several others. The problem is that it's taking far too long to make a decision.


11 posted on 06/07/2006 5:48:30 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR & 24, way too much butt time)
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"There is no such thing as a well-aimed shot in combat, because combat is fought by scared 18-year-olds who haven't been trained enough and are in a place they've never seen before," Sprey says.

Wow, I am surprised he admitted that. He's right, if you are going to give rifles to people who aren't well trained they should be light, etc. However, the real issue is not what rifle is being carried, but rather why the soldiers aren't properly trained.

12 posted on 06/07/2006 5:50:22 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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Bring back the M-14...

Damn right, there must be tens of thousands in storage, issue them out!!

Get rid of that dinky SAW while we're at it, M60 rules!

Get some! Get some!!

13 posted on 06/07/2006 5:50:45 PM PDT by CrawDaddyCA (Free Travis McGee!!)
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It's just goofy to send our guys over there with Phasers on stun.


14 posted on 06/07/2006 5:50:52 PM PDT by RobRoy
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.223 is an excellent varmint round, but illegal to use on deer sized game in most states. I have often wondered about that.


15 posted on 06/07/2006 5:52:43 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Uh...I don't think so.

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16 posted on 06/07/2006 5:54:35 PM PDT by randita
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These guys crack me up. The media HATES the war- they detest the military and look at them as though they're from another planet...and YET- they are concerned that combat soldiers may or may not have adequate firepower?

pppffftttt..


17 posted on 06/07/2006 5:55:10 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: calex59
I had a Mini 14 and LOVED IT!

I kept my CAR-15 for 1 month, just no fun, it had to go.

I have had my eyes on my brother's M-1 Garand for years but the only way he'll give it up is after the death grip has gone.
18 posted on 06/07/2006 5:58:51 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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.223 makes a pretty good deer round if you don't exceed it's capabilities. No shots over 100 yards and good shot placement and it's acceptable.


19 posted on 06/07/2006 5:58:59 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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OK ten responses and I hadn't seen it, so I have to say it.

This is the Haditha one-two. If the holes in the victims are from AK-47's, the press is laying the groudwork to say the Marines did it anyway. Plain and simple, folks.

20 posted on 06/07/2006 5:59:14 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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