[Marxbites]

Please change that to leftism, or better yet collectivism.

Just because the progressives co-opted liberal for themselves as a guise, doesn't mean that the Founders were not liberals, they of course were real classical liberals who eschewed the oppressive state, and instead wrote our constitution of liberty of limited Govt with few enumerated powers.

We need to take the glory they gave us back, not concede it.

[RSmithOpt]

" Just because the progressives co-opted liberal for themselves as a guise, doesn't mean that the Founders were not liberals, they of course were real classical liberals who eschewed the oppressive state, and instead wrote our constitution of liberty of limited Govt with few enumerated powers."

Thanks for the suggestion on the tag line change.

You are 99% correct on a lot of the founding fathers' viewpoints upon the concept of Liberty, and I agree.

However, as a matter of disagreement, (with a good slathering of political correctness) I'll keep my personal current definition on Liberalism.

I do equate Liberalism, to some degree, to those who lean heavily upon Socialism, Communism, Marxism, Elitist Totalitarian Oligarchies, and always preach tolerance but never practice it or truly understand it.

[arthurus]

We cannot reclaim vocabulary so long as the Left owns Academia and MSM. The Left will always own Academia in a free society and usually the MSM. It is the nature of the employment. Academics do not have a sense of earning money by working for it. They are "awarded" their livings because of their inherent value as intelligent properly educated persons who should be guiding the society as managers and Solons and resent that the society does not reward them more. MSM types share the same mindset but most of them are not quite so insulated and feel to a small extent that they are paid for their work.