Posted on 06/06/2006 7:31:06 AM PDT by SJackson
The pragmatic cast of Scandinavian same-sex unions likely goes further still. While half of Scandinavian partners say they marry chiefly for the benefits, as many as one third of Scandinavian partners likely have a very specific benefit in mind. Around one third of Scandinavian registered partnerships involve a foreign-born member. The numbers are particularly striking for men. In Norway, 43 percent of male partnerships include a non-Norwegian citizen. In Sweden, the figure is 45 percent. Many of these cross-national unions are with non-Europeans.
This huge disproportion of dual-nationality unions suggests that many Scandinavian same-sex couples have married chiefly to facilitate immigration. Andersson and Noack clearly recognize this phenomenon. Eskridge and Spedale downplay it. They call immigration rights only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the benefits of same-sex unions. Yet the numbers say that unions contracted primarily for immigration purposes probably represent, not merely the tip, but a huge part of the base of the iceberg. This suggests that, among the already extremely small number of Scandinavian same-sex partnerships, a far smaller number are undertaken for anything like conservative reasons.
So after an experiment in same-sex marriage that has lasted between one and two decades, Scandinavian marriage rates are still exceedingly low. As many as half of all partnerships may be undertaken primarily for legal benefits, and only secondarily, if at all, out of a conservative attitude toward union formalization. About a third of all same-sex unions involve non-citizens, often from non-European countries. Many of these partnerships would likely not have been entered at all were it not for the immigration rights.
In short, if registered partnerships were designed to bring a more stable and conservative family ethos to Scandinavias gays, far too few have married for this to have happened. And the actual attitudes of Scandinavian gays toward their marriages may be even less conservative than the numbers weve seen so far indicate. In Part II of Why So Few? well see why.
Stanley Kurtz is a fellow at the Hudson Institute.
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Gays want the money - and will destroy marriage and society to get it.
perhaps the reason so few of them "marry" is because so few of them bother to stay in "committed" relationships for very long.
I am surprised that so few lesbians have "married". Most of the lesbians I have know have been in stable, living-together relationships, or aspired to, and they did want society's recognition and financial and legal benefits.
Mrs VS
Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.
One think that could work against the gays is if we required them to marry to get benefits....so that simple co-habitation would not qualify them for "domestic partner" benefits. Make marriage legal and a condition of getting benefits.....and watch how fast they back away from this nonsense.
I don't believe it has so much to do with money as it has to do with destroying the image of those who aren't homosexual and who consider it to be an aberration (which it is since it falls so far out of the norm).
"perhaps the reason so few of them "marry" is because so few of them bother to stay in "committed" relationships for very long."
That would make them a lot smarter than us heterosexuals since we have a 50% divorce rate now wouldn't it?
Marked for later read...
Homosexuals are so full of self-loathing they seek anything that makes their deviancy acceptable. If to no one else but themselves.
Thus the term "gay" is not so much for the general public to use as much as it is for the benefit of homosexuals not having to hear the term homosexual.
A homophobe is a homosexual who says he is gay because he cannot stand the word homosexual.
Stanley Kurtz is always good! Will read this later.
There have been at least a couple of articles (used to have them saved, maybe I do on my profile page) explaining how the myth that 50% of marriages end in divorce is pushed by those who hate morality.
First marriages have a much higher rate of success. One people get divorced and re-marry, the success rate goes down, with each successive divorce. So if you take into accout every marriage, a lot fail. But first marriages are more successful. Kind of like figuring out average age of death in the Middle Ages. It was low because of a lot of infant mortality. Once people made it through early childhood, many made it into their 70s.
Yes -he is good.
However, I myself do not consider this to be but a side issue AND in the case of homosexual marriage but a moral relative exercise. Whether or not there is one homosexual coupling or multitudes matters no in regards to the substantive merits in regard to the issue of homosexual marriage.
Society does not accommodate, reward, and merit privilege upon the institution of marriage because society wishes to foster and promote love or monogamous sexual proclivities.
Society accommodates, rewards, and merits privilege upon the institution of marriage because society wishes to foster and promote love procreation. Procreation is the rational basis that premises societal accommodation, reward, and privileges provided marriage being enacted into law.
Yes, homosexuals can love each other and engage in sexual activities -so what. If some wish to reward homosexual love and sex then they should do it on their own dime -not mine...
-more on the homosexual marriage debate...
Gays want the money - and will destroy marriage and society to get it.
I agree with you about the money. 1500 weddings in eight years is not a lot of people. I think Britney is destroying marriage (getting rid of her second husband) than the 1500 married gays. See I was totally against gay marriage and for the amendment until I see the numbers. I had no idea this was such a small deal. The way the press makes it out to be that their would be millions of gay getting married but that is just not fact. 1500 couples in 8 years!!!!! That is very telling. I am still against gay marriage, but now I am not so concerned. It actually relieves me that there is little interest among the gay community. I guess this is more interesting to us hetros.
Because "commitment" is to "gay lifestyle" as "ham sandwich" is to "madrassa".
I recall reading that somewhere too, that second marriages and beyond have a lower probability of success.
Maybe its not 50% but its still higher than what it was in my parents generation for the following - people are generally more stupid about these things. We live in an instant gratification society and want whatever we want without having to put the effort into it. In this context that means that a lot of people today confuse "infatuation" with "love" and rush into marriage, and then when the emotion runs out, they assume this to mean they are out of love and then bail on the marriage.
So my original argument to the poster was more or less valid - heterosexuals have a problem committing too, or at least staying committed. So I wouldn't call it a gay trait, more of a trait of modern society. I just didn't explain it very well.
I'd like to see the article you are referring to to get the real figures, but I wouldn't use it to discount my argument unless it compares divorce rates now to those 20 and 40 years ago.
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