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No (House Republicans vs. Senator Frist’s amnesty plan. )
National Review Online ^ | 5 June 2006 | Rep. Tom Tancredo

Posted on 06/05/2006 4:51:21 PM PDT by Spiff

No

House Republicans vs. Senator Frist’s amnesty plan.

By Rep. Tom Tancredo

The United States Congress stands at a historic crossroads on immigration policy. Two roads diverge. Will the nation get another amnesty program or will it get secure borders to halt illegal entry into our country? House Republicans must choose, because they can’t have both.

The recently passed Senate bill giving amnesty to 12-15 million illegal aliens presents a challenge to House Republicans, but it also presents an opportunity. The House should respond with a strong reaffirmation of the enforcement-first strategy for border control and immigration-law enforcement, an approach strongly favored by a large majority of the American people. If House Republicans abandon that path, they will invite the desertion of their conservative base and the certain loss of the House in the November elections.

Senate Democrats voted 38 to 4 for the amnesty bill, while a majority of Senate Republicans rejected it. The amnesty bill is clearly a Democrat bill that passed with Republican support, thanks to Sen. Frist’s machinations. House Republicans must refuse to drink Bill Frist’s Kool Aid concoction—not even a tiny spoonful labeled “amnesty lite.”

Last December, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 4437, a bill that embodies the enforcement-first strategy for border control and immigration enforcement. The Senate bill takes the exact opposite approach. The two bills are polar opposites not only in text but also in spirit and in purpose. For this reason it is impractical and delusional to try to marry one to the other. Despite the advances of modern science, we do not yet have the capacity to marry a snake to a hawk and produce an eagle.

The crux of the problem is that in the deceptively packaged Senate bill, border control is there as a promise but amnesty is guaranteed, immediate, and irreversible. That is the formula that failed in the 1986 amnesty program, and the House must not buy that pig-in-a-poke again. In such omnibus plans, enforcement can be delayed, diluted, and sabotaged in numerous ways. That is why “enforcement first” is not a slogan—it is an urgent necessity.

The American people expect more from the “People’s House” than joining the Senate’s sellout to the cheap-labor lobby and the American Immigration Lawyers Association. If House Republicans do not answer that call to duty, we will deserve neither our citizens’ respect nor their votes.

There is one sure way to derail the Senate’s amnesty bill: The House Republican leadership should tell the Senate we will not go to conference on the Senate bill. The House should simply challenge the Senate to act on H.R. 4437. Until the Senate sends the House an enforcement-only bill, we have nothing to conference about.

A few Republicans in the House have called for compromise by suggesting clever plans that amount to “amnesty lite.” Down that path lies disaster because “enforcement first” cannot be compromised: Either Congress secures the borders before considering new guest-worker plans or we create a guest-worker program on the mere promise of border security. Genuine enforcement cannot be a mere part of a “comprehensive bill,” it must precede any other reform. House Republicans who break ranks with HR 4437 are choosing a path of certain catastrophe—for the nation in the long run and for our party in November.

If House Republicans take the enforcement first platform to the American people in November, they can win. There is no advantage whatsoever for Republicans in agreeing to write a bad bill in conference on the premise that even a bad bill is better than no bill at all. That is the argument we hear from the White House and it is sheer nonsense. The president does not have to face the voters in November, we do. The president lost all credibility on immigration reform in March 2005 when he called the Minutemen “vigilantes” with Vicente Fox standing at his side. It is time for the president to put his attack dogs on a short leash and let House Republicans chart their own course.

Fate has given the House of Representatives the task of rescuing our national sovereignty and our children’s futures from the Senate’s folly. There are signs we may be up to the challenge, but if we are not, neither history nor the voters will forgive us.

—Rep. Tom Tancredo represents Colorado’s 6th district and is chairman of the 97-member Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bushamnesty; explodingbotshere; highanxietyforrinos; howlinbushbots; hr4437; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; invasionusa; tancredo
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To: HKMk23
It's not NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN..it's mainstream America. Mainstream America likes Christians and the rule of law. Mexicans are not murderers and the can seek to pay the penalty for their crime and be accepted. Get over it.
381 posted on 06/06/2006 12:58:02 AM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: OKIEDOC

Basically similar to the Presidents. First get them out of the shadows so we know they are here. That should cut down on crime right there. Illegal aliens often remind me of guys I knew that had bench warrents for some minor stuff and they never took care of it. It seemed to fact that spent all there time trying to avoid some bench warrent for DWI for instance or some silly battery just got them into more trouble.

Second have some guest worker program that can be reviewed on a bi annual or quarterly basis. That way the numbers can be increased or reduced in antcipation of economic forcast so not to hurt the American worker. This also should cut down on the migration of entire families here if they can be assured they can come back for these seasonal jobs. Therefore the pattern of circular migrationwill be reestablished.

As to citizenship. The Criminal with serious records get deported. The rest if they keep there nose clean pay fines taxes learn English etc, keep steady employment can apply for citizenship if they want in twelve years or so. If people want to restrict this to people that have wives or children here I am fine with that. Those are the people I am most concerned with anyway. The rest can apply for it just like anyone else in the World

Of course none of this will work unless we have some proper and tamper proof ID and controls. I don't have a problem with that and heavy fines to employers that go outside this system.


382 posted on 06/06/2006 1:05:24 AM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: onyx

I am not talking about the current situation. I mean to refernce this as to the proposed bills in the congress. Of course, the current situation is intolerable.


383 posted on 06/06/2006 1:08:46 AM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: rock58seg

Another Excellent Comment and Observation.


384 posted on 06/06/2006 1:09:09 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: catholicfreeper

I want the House to hold strong.
ENFORCEMENT first.
The invasion has to be first stopped.

If the Mexican election goes the wrong way, we'll be inundated.


385 posted on 06/06/2006 1:10:41 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: Texasforever
I heard the preacher say more than once something about "lessor ones" and how they should be treated. I sure didn't hear anything about praying for closed borders.

There are 5 billion "lesser ones" that are "lesser" than the nation of Mexico. Are you going to let all of them - ALL of them - into the United States too? Where do you draw the line? I draw it at the established border.

386 posted on 06/06/2006 1:12:20 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Luke21
I have noticed over the last few years this guy or gal Sinkspur is always the one taking the liberal side no matter how insane that side seems to be.
387 posted on 06/06/2006 1:13:10 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You know that's horsefeces, sinkspur. FR has a large number of black and Hispanic posters also. I've got nothing against Mexicans or Hispanics. Illegals are illegals, regardless of what race they are.

Comment

I believe this poster sinkspur is probably a raving liberal in disguise.
388 posted on 06/06/2006 1:17:10 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: catholicfreeper
Let me say up front that I support President Bush but not Senate Bill S2611.

Unlike many who have posted on here tonight I actually followed the Senate debate from start to finish.

S2611 is way to over reaching and complex.

The bill relies on a lot of promises that may or may not be kept.

The only thing for certain in S2611 is that amnesty and lots of free benefits will be given to millions who did break the law in some form to get into the United States.

It will require thousands of additional government workers just to implement all the paperwork associated with the amnesty provisions.

The cost in dollars for everything called for in the bill is astronomical up into the billions and billions.

It lays the responsibility for stolen identifications not on the backs of the illegal aliens but on the original ID holder.

Senator Ensigns amendment to the bill would have given relief to more than 800,000 who are now having to deal with ruined credit histories and being billed for back taxes.

I will not go on as I must get up early for appointments.

Observation and just my opinion:

I have two foster sons who were born of two different sets of illegal parents.

My preference is for a strict enforcement of border security.

Instigate a workable temporary guest worker program.

We can not deport nor should we deport all illegal aliens.

Those who can verify that they have established a clean working record for the last 5 years should be given the opportunity of applying for a green card.

They should be required to learn English at the very least.

I would suggest a fine of sufficient amount and a reconciliation of their breaking the law with a 5 year probationary sentence.

When the probation is served then the records should be expunged and the citizenship process allowed to go forward.
389 posted on 06/06/2006 2:02:07 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: Texasforever

I remember when Reagan passed an amnesty bill...it was a disaster and is responsible for the mess today. We can not pass any sort of amnesty bill without enforcement. The Senate refused to put in severe penalties against employers of illegals thus proving they have no intention of enforcing border security. It is all window dressing...the guards on the border who do nothing by the way. If the Senate and/or house was serious about this issue, they could put an end to it. Penalize employers-no jobs the issue goes away.


390 posted on 06/06/2006 4:17:27 AM PDT by bronxboy
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To: catholicfreeper

And all I am saying is this: Replacing the truly pro-life Santorum with the nominally-prolife-but-will-support-Schumer Casey will be a setback for the prolife cause, no ifs, ands, or buts. Casey already waffled on whether he'd support conservative judges.


391 posted on 06/06/2006 5:16:08 AM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: catholicfreeper
I don't think me yelling back but Lord "National Sovereignty" is going to help much.

At least you admit you don't care about the sovereignty of the United States or that illegal immigrants mean more to you then the sovereignty of the United States. Are you Mexican per chance?

392 posted on 06/06/2006 5:16:23 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: bronxboy
I remember when Reagan passed an amnesty bill

Excellent point. We have done this before which is how we got here.

393 posted on 06/06/2006 5:17:52 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: catholicfreeper

However, I am getting a feeling from many Hispanic Republicans that they are getting a tad tired of not having their views heard. Including the head of the Texas Hispanic Assembly chapter that in comments he has made over the weekend, after he and others attended the Texas Republican Convention. This is a guy that supports getting rid of Birth Right Citizenship I believe and is no radical. Of course I think you were there and can give greater insight into that perhaps than what I read in the Sat and Sun Texas media."

The Republican *base* is a tad tired of not having their views heard. That's what I heard when I was there.

The media never gets their coverage right, so you cant rely on that.


394 posted on 06/06/2006 5:24:19 AM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: Earthdweller
Believe it or not the "architect" is still correct. The country is center right. A compromised bill must pass to satisfy the majority.

Unintentional use of words or not, I don't want a "compromised" bill. There are some things that cannot be compromised. Do we grant amnesty or not?

Do you have a better plan to satisfy the whole country?

See my post #64. We need to delink immigration reform from border security, which includes tracking down visa overstays. Until we can control the flow of illegals into the US, it is virtually impossible to implement comprehensive immigration reform. When you have a water pipe break in the basement, the first thing you do is shut the water off. Then you figure out ways to handle the water damage.

395 posted on 06/06/2006 6:02:47 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Earthdweller
Sorry, I referred to a post on another thread. My solution:

The first thing we need to do is secure our borders (including creating the administrative apparatus to track down and deport visa overstays) and cut off the supply of illegals to a trickle.

Second, we need to identify the scope of the problem. Estimates on the numbers of illegals here ranges from 9 to 20 million. We must have better information on which to base any any comprehensive immigration reform. We can enlist state and local governments in this effort along with hospitals, schools, prisons etc. Once we have the data, then we can develp the public policy to solve the problem.

I see no sense of urgency or desire to deport millions of people. I also see no rush to give them permanent legal status and all that entails, e.g., eligibility for Medicaid, EITC, Medicare, sponsorship of family members for entry into the US, welfare, etc. Those that are trying to link border security to comprehensive immigration reform are just trying to stampede us into making a hurried decision on a complex issue that deserves greater deliberation and further study. The are also holding hostage immediate action on securing our borders.

Personally, I am not in favor of rewarding people with citizenship who violated our laws. It is unfair to the millions now waiting overseas in line for years to come in leglly. Anyone who was over 18 when he entered the US illegally would never be granted citizenship, but rather, at the very most, a green card with no possibility of applying for citizenship. But that remains to be decided once we have a real handle on the problem.

Amnesty is wrong in so many ways. It makes a mockery of our laws and sends the wrong signal to the rest of the world. The message is just get here and you can stay with the eventual possibility of citizenship. We made this mistake in 1986 and as Ed Meese says, we shouldn't repeat it.

396 posted on 06/06/2006 6:10:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: catholicfreeper; Texasforever
The House Bill was passed by a Republican Majority plus some Democrats.

The Senate Bill was passed by 40+ Dems and aprox 20 Pubs.

What you two want is as close to open borders as possible, which the Senate bill does in spades.

You, and others like you, know that, and don't care. And don't bother making fun of me again, because I will not respond.

397 posted on 06/06/2006 6:39:49 AM PDT by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist, cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: PRND21

"He lied about his Term Limit Pledge and claimed he was "mentally unfit" to avoid Vietnam.
Talk about faux. I'm not surprised you "support" him"

Why don't you debate his take on immigration instead of tearing him down personally. Defend this administrations policy for open borders, instead of personal attacks.


398 posted on 06/06/2006 6:44:37 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I call them the 29%er's.


399 posted on 06/06/2006 6:50:45 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
The Senate isn't even going to consider Pence's bill. Pence offered a reasonable compromise and the Senate won't even listen to that.

You and sinkspur are in the minority. The line in the sand is now drawn.

I don't like Pense's solution either...but you are right about the Senate's response to it. I hope the House continues to dig in their heels. There is no way to "compromise" with the Senate.

Seal the borders first, show us that you have, then we'll talk.

400 posted on 06/06/2006 6:56:07 AM PDT by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist, cynic or right wing extremist!)
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