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Hillary Can't Beat 50% Against Allen or Romney
Quinnipiac University ^ | June 5, 2006 | Peter Brown

Posted on 06/04/2006 11:22:46 PM PDT by RWR8189

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21 posted on 06/05/2006 12:28:19 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Lurker
Hillary Clinton is done. You can stick a fork in her. There's virtually no chance that woman will ever be in the White House other than as an invited guest of the President.

The 2008 'Rat nomination is Hillary's. She keeps it in the iron-clad lock box she stole from Al Gore. I don't think she has much chance at the White House (which is why I want us to nominate a real conservartive like Tom Coburn) but there is no force within the Donk party that can wrest the 2008 nomination away from her.

22 posted on 06/05/2006 12:50:04 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: grapeape
All she needs is 40 to 44% or so and she will run. They are great campaigners and they could close the gap rapidly.

She will run because she has raised too much money not to run. But she is a terrible campaigner in that she comes across as arrogant, incompetent and worst of all, just not likable. She will try for the nomination but will get out half way through, latest. Bill will not be an issue. For one thing, he is too sick to campaign effectively.

23 posted on 06/05/2006 1:08:21 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: rogue yam; Lurker
there is no force within the Donk party that can wrest the 2008 nomination away from her.

Hitlery doesn't have a chance. Too many Americans find her utterly repellent, and even the Rats are now beginning to see that.

Unfortunately it looks like it might be Al Gore/Mark Warner.

Gore is rumored to have enough Google options to finance a presidential run from his own pocket, and Warner also is quite wealthy (high-tech entrepreneur who later founded a successful VC firm, Columbia Capital). They don't really need the traditional Rat money that Hitlery's been filching for the last several years.

Gore apparently has a lot of appeal with the red meat DUmmies, he's with them on all their big issues. Also popular in the minority community with that "Preacher Al" act he invented last campaign. Warner is low-key and more genial, and as mentioned has the "moderate" persona which may temper Gore's complete and utter insanity.

In any case I can't see how Hitlery is going to make it even to the Rat convention.

24 posted on 06/05/2006 1:21:14 AM PDT by angkor
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To: goldstategop
She Who Must Not Be Named

ROFL!

25 posted on 06/05/2006 1:29:12 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: angkor
In any case I can't see how Hitlery is going to make it even to the Rat convention.

Hillary has got the money. Cash money, and also fundraising potential. She can host high dollar fundraisers herself, and Bubba can too, of course. They know all of the big 'Rat funders, and the Clintons can and will demand early and exclusive support.

Further, she and he know all of the key people in the 'Rat state Party organizations. Their personal connections within organized Rattery dwarf all others. Also they know all of the big government and service employee union bosses, as well as the key opinionmakers among the lawyers' groups, the media, and other centers of 'Rat power.

Finally, the idea that Hillary has enemies to the left is pure 'Rat treachery. Just as we know her true stripes, so do the leftist sociopaths in the abortion cult, the grievance industries, the gun-grabbers, etc. Every big leftist ideological group (Brady, ACLU, NOW, Sierra, etc.) will support her when the time comes, and basically all of the leftists know this.

So it all boils down to the question of her electability in the general election. I agree that she seems very unlikely to win barring a strong third-party showing AND a crappy GOP candidate. But I believe that Hillary (and Bill) will never voluntarily stand down for the good of the party (rather, they will overestimate both their popularity and their "superiority" to other 'Rat candidates). And I see no other 'Rat candidate or other center of 'Rat power around which an alternative to Hillary can form. She and Bubba will simply go directly to all who matter and make them an offer they can't refuse.

Hillary will not be stopped by any "Rat, because there is no 'Rat or group of 'Rats she can't crush. And if Hillary wants something (and I believe she wants the Presidency more than anything else in the world) she will crush any and all who stand in her way. Lower-level 'Rats understand this implicitly. Therefore they will rush to join Hillary!2008 the moment the vote counting is completed this November.

26 posted on 06/05/2006 1:50:33 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: RWR8189

The southeast Florida northeast retirees can't die off soon enough. As a native Floridian I have seen southeast Florida turn into another country. They brought with them the same northeast idiology that has turned their states of origin into liberal hell holes. I have seen it spread like cancer. These FDR types can't be gone soon enough.


27 posted on 06/05/2006 2:31:44 AM PDT by jslade (Liberalism ALWAYS accomplishes the exact opposite of it's stated intent!)
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To: Northern Alliance
Bill will not be an issue. For one thing, he is too sick to campaign effectively

I've been wondering about Bill. I saw him on a TV ad for children's obesity and he looks terrible. His left eye is quite droopy.

28 posted on 06/05/2006 2:40:48 AM PDT by NoExpectations
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To: Waco
"The klinton trashbags usually gin up a 3rd party nut to split the vote. Only chance."

Maybe this time the 3rd party dupe will work in our favor.

Matbe Algore runs as a greenie... :)

29 posted on 06/05/2006 4:04:12 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: RWR8189

In otherwords, someone is finally acknowledging the obvious? That it isn't that ONLY McCain or Rudy could beat her, McCain would lose no matter what imo.....but that basically they were doing name recognition trials with these polls.

I said all along, put up a conservative or perceived conservative and they'll beat her. Kerry was unknown to most people except those he trashed in 'Nam before his race, these campaigns are about getting to know the candidate. You don't need "star" wattage to win but you better damn well have someone who is right on the issues.


30 posted on 06/05/2006 4:21:03 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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To: grapeape

40-46% is the minimal any Democrat will get. If that's the best she can do, she's worthless as a candidate. You're supposed to find a candidate that can get you the remainder that = victory. She can't do that unless we help her by choosing someone worthless.


31 posted on 06/05/2006 4:23:12 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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To: RWR8189

Hillary can only win the same way her husband won, with a third party candidate. If, and when, we see a third party candidate emerge we will know she's serious.


32 posted on 06/05/2006 4:24:58 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: NoExpectations
I've been wondering about Bill. I saw him on a TV ad for children's obesity and he looks terrible. His left eye is quite droopy.

Yeah. I'm basing what I said strictly on his appearance. I haven't read anything specific on his health. But as you said, he looks terrible. I didn't notice the eye but he is very thin and not lively or animated the way he used to be. Really, to me he looks like a guy with maybe 5 years left. I don't think he will be in evidence very much during the campaign and certainly not on the campaign trail making speeches. My guess is they will put him on display a few times and that'll be about it.

33 posted on 06/05/2006 4:57:16 AM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: ops33
I'm sure Hillary is STUNNED that not everyone is willing to join her village.

You'll see poll after poll after poll and they'll call in the crew from "Numbers" to find out why these polls aren't indicating what she THINKS should be the correct numbers.

She thought it was "in the bag"...just didn't realize that she IS the BAG and the BAG is empty.

34 posted on 06/05/2006 4:58:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Lurker

Don't under-estimtate the corruption of the Clinton machine.......they are the masters of corruption...


35 posted on 06/05/2006 5:00:20 AM PDT by auto power
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To: RWR8189

Her husband won twice on less than 50% of the popular vote...


36 posted on 06/05/2006 5:08:49 AM PDT by joonbug
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To: NoExpectations

Unfortunately, Hillary benefits if Bill dies or is sick. Just as how many felt sorry for her after Monica and Bill had pizza together.


37 posted on 06/05/2006 5:11:42 AM PDT by GnL
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To: Lurker
“Hillary Clinton is done. You can stick a fork in her.” -Lurker, FreeRepublic 2006

“Hurrah boys... we caught them napping!” -George Armstrong Custer, Little Bighorn 1876

38 posted on 06/05/2006 5:18:38 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: RWR8189
Hillary can't get over 50% ?

Looks like the Clintoons will have to dig ole Ross Perot out of the closet again:
Clintons Conspire With Perot
39 posted on 06/05/2006 5:30:08 AM PDT by One_who_hopes_to_know
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To: Cobra64

I knew they were related!


40 posted on 06/05/2006 5:41:06 AM PDT by Les_Miserables
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