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Switzerland's Liberal Drug Policy Seems To Work, Study Says
Medical News Today ^ | 02 Jun 2006 | Joe Santangelo

Posted on 06/03/2006 12:37:09 PM PDT by Know your rights

Switzerland's policy of offering heroin addicts substitution treatment with methadone or buprenorphine has led to a decline in the number of new heroin users in Zurich, according to a paper published in this week's issue of The Lancet.

Switzerland has implemented various policies to try and reduce harm to dependent heroin users, including needle-exchange services, low-threshold methadone programmes, and heroin-assisted treatments. However, critics say that these policies may lead to a growing number of new drug users and lengthen the period of heroin addiction.

To investigate, Carlos Nordt and Rudolf Stohler from the Psychiatric University Hospital, Zurich, Switzerland analysed data from over 7250 patients in Zurich who presented for substitution treatments with methadone or buprenorphine over 13 years from 1991. From this data they estimated trends in the number of new heroin users. They found that the incidence of heroin use dropped from 850 new users in 1990 to 150 in 2002. The authors contrast the situation with heroin use in the UK, Italy, and Australia, which has continued to rise. They also found a low cessation (quit) rate and therefore, the overall number of heroin dependents, whether in treatment or not, only declined by 4% per year.

Dr Nordt states: "As the Swiss population supported this drug policy, this medicalisation of opiate dependence changed the image of heroin use as a rebellious act to an illness that needs therapy. Finally, heroin seems to have become a 'loser drug', with its attractiveness fading for young people. Nevertheless, whether drug policy had a positive effect on the number of new heroin users or not, our data could not confirm an increase of heroin incidence as expected by the critics of the liberal Swiss drug policy."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: addiction; bongbrigade; drugs; drugskilledbelushi; heroin; knowyourleroy; leroyknowshisrights; losertarians; mrleroy; switzerland; warondrugs; wod; wodlist
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
I'm inherently skeptical of sources that tell me how wonderfully socialist programs are working.

The available evidence says that treatment socialism works better than criminalization socialism ... and I know of no reason to doubt that.

81 posted on 06/04/2006 4:27:34 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Mister Da
So give us an example of libertarians supporting a nanny-state policy.

Don't forget this one.

82 posted on 06/04/2006 4:29:37 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
So give us an example of libertarians supporting a nanny-state policy.

Any libertarian who supports Switzerland's heroin maintence program.

83 posted on 06/04/2006 4:32:19 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Know your rights
The available evidence says that treatment socialism works better than criminalization socialism

Again, we're basing this on the Swiss study.

Let it be understood that the study was conducted in Zurich, where heroin was already legal in Needle Park and the problem was already out of control. The study does not show that treatment enrollments have gone down, only that they haven't risen since 1996, when heroin use in Zurich was an epidemic because of the Needle Park experiment.

So this study merely shows that treatment socialism may have, for the moment, stopped the bleeding caused by the 1987 decriminalization in Zurich.

Now, if you're comparing Switzerland to the US when you say "more successful", you're comparing apples to oranges. Switzerland isn't America. It's not even New Jersey.

84 posted on 06/04/2006 4:49:05 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Know your rights; MrLeRoy; martin_fierro; pawdoggie; Virginia Ridgerunner; ClearCase_guy; ...
On another recent thread where we chatted, I think you said you were not a pro-drug activist and that you didn't do drugs or advocate them.

If that is so, how come by my rough quick count you have 492 pro drug posts out of your last 500 or so?

For heaven's sake, your pro drug posting must exceed on average beyond the 97% level of all your posts.

Doesn't that seem to suggest an obsession with drugs and that you are probably a pro-drug activist since it's about all you ever seem to post?

Why would a supposedly non-drug using person be so caught up in advocating them to others in such a massive body of posting?
85 posted on 06/04/2006 5:33:39 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

To KnowYourRights/MrLeRoy...


86 posted on 06/04/2006 5:35:01 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Mister Da
Perhaps the Swiss have figured out that the crime & drug dealing is WAY worse than giving the junkies their daily fix. Maybe they figure that if the junkies are not buying on the street, the street dealers will dry up for lack of steady customers.

I lived there before, during, and after the crisis of heroin addicts in Zurich.

Believe me, having your city as a mecca for heroin addicts and dealers ruins it very fast. Whatever you think about the treatment program, it obviously turned away the dealers from the streets of Zurich, and stopped a lot of the crime and public nuisance. I remember seeing people shooting up in the park where I pushed my baby on the swing. I saw the used needles lying around, the trash and the urine and the graffiti. It's back to being a beautiful city again now.

The psychology of the treatment program is not bad. Instead of being "cool," hanging out and being a "chic" heroin addict, all counter-culture and fun, it is now a way to declare about yourself "I have a mental illness for which I seek constant treatment." Hardly an attractive quality.

87 posted on 06/04/2006 5:51:05 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: toddlintown
Switzerland? Don't they make clocks there that go "Coo-Coo?"

That would be Austria.

88 posted on 06/04/2006 5:52:19 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Any libertarian who supports Switzerland's heroin maintence program.

Do any such exist?

89 posted on 06/04/2006 6:49:48 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
The study does not show that treatment enrollments have gone down

It went down during some period: "They found that the incidence of heroin use dropped from 850 new users in 1990 to 150 in 2002."

Switzerland isn't America.

True ... but still the available evidence says that treatment socialism works better than criminalization socialism.

90 posted on 06/04/2006 6:53:20 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: A CA Guy
Doesn't that seem to suggest an obsession with drugs

No, an "obsession" with freedom.

and that you are probably a pro-drug activist since it's about all you ever seem to post?

I don't know of any other subject where freedom is so vigorously argued against on FR.

Why would a supposedly non-drug using person be so caught up in advocating them to others

More lies ... I have never advocated drugs to others.

91 posted on 06/04/2006 6:56:33 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

"libertarians allowed themselves to be wholly defined by their pro-drug platform"

The only people who do that are their enemies - I assume you are one. I define them as proponents of limited government, no welfare, personal choice, privacy, & property rights. I don't believe the Dems or Pubs are for those things?

"Switzerland is absolutely a nanny-state for junkies."

So is the USA, EU, Australia, etc. Look in the Yellow Pages - it's in there". Nothing new here.

"libertarians are on board with it"

I didn't see ANY reference to libertarians in the article. Can you cite a legitimate source article? I'd like to read it. Otherwise, you might as well be talking about zebras, & you'd be fundamentally wrong there, too.

Besides, the Dems & Pubs have supported "drug treatment" centers for years, so to single out the libertarians, who hold virtually no positions of power in the US or Switzerland, as somehow responsible is ludicrous.

OBTW, I'm an Independent, not a Libertarian. I do agree with most of their domestic platform, but their foreign policy platform seems to ignore iminent threats. If you read their platform(www.lp.org), they support PRIVATE treatment ONLY.


92 posted on 06/04/2006 7:51:07 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mister Da
The only people who do that are their enemies - I assume you are one.

You'd be incorrect in that assumption. I'd love to be done with the Republican Party, but the libertarians aren't a viable option. Largely because of the drug platform, and the kind of constituency it attracts. I've lived in Southern California since my mid 20's, and pretty much every head I've ever known (I'm in the A/V industry, I've known a bunch) considered himself a libertarian.

It's my opinion that the libertarians have become more of a pro-drug movement and less of a limited government party in recent years. I don't have any data to back it up, and I don't have any evidence linking them to George Soros or NORMAL. It's just an observation, made in the course of the conversation.

I didn't see ANY reference to libertarians in the article.

I'm talking about the libertarians in the thread. I'm pretty sure the Swiss don't even know what a libertarian party is.

93 posted on 06/04/2006 8:16:40 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Know your rights
...still the available evidence says that treatment socialism works better than criminalization socialism.

That's what it says to you. Not me.

94 posted on 06/04/2006 8:21:08 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Still waiting for an example of a libertarian who supports Switzerland's heroin maintence program ....
95 posted on 06/04/2006 8:51:36 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

Are you a libertarian?


96 posted on 06/04/2006 8:55:49 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Please see post # 87. It is exactly what I am talking about.

I want my parks free of junkies & my streets safe from pushers, thieves, & shootouts. The WOD has done NOTHING to make us safer. On the contrary, now I have to worry about no-knock searches, wiretaps, gun bans, piss tests, property seizures, road blocks, & many, many crooked cops & pols.

And again, I don't care what the junkies do to themselves. In my mind, the only crime they are committing is against themselves, & that's not my concern, nor the government's.

Disband the DEA & put them all to work with the border patrol.
97 posted on 06/04/2006 9:24:38 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Know your rights

So 492 out of 500 posts are all about drugs because for you drugs = freedom?


98 posted on 06/04/2006 9:36:40 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Know your rights
No, differences in drug poplicy between different countries cannot explain changing substitution treatment enrollments within a single country.

True, but there is no need to become mired in any of that. One simple fact stands out like a glowing neon sign: Decriminalization does not increase drug addiction. That has been proven in both Swtzerland and The Netherlands.

Those who claim decriminalization leads to increased addiction are just plain wrong.
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99 posted on 06/04/2006 11:18:56 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: philman_36
And while you're at it, prove that the moon is made of cheese

You are brilliant...To the top of your sneakers!
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100 posted on 06/04/2006 11:22:12 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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