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I know, I know, I am going to get "hammered" (again) for bashing W and contributing to the DIM's and MSM's effort to drive a wedge between us Conservatives and PUBS (their IS a difference, you know), but what the hey, as I'm not a wishy-washy moderate and don't countenance to let's just "all get along" or we have to give a little to get a little, here goes.

" The crux of his argument is simple: A majority of Americans support the idea that marriage is exclusively between a man and a woman, and activist judges across the country are thwarting the will of the people."

Absolute correct, Mr. President and this is a very important issue and one we Conservatives support and commend you for.

However, what about a much more pressing--and a much more vital to our security, if not the survival of our nation as we know it--issue, and that being of securing our borders? NOW!

With all due respect, Mr. President (and you too Mr. Guru, Rove) if you want to grab onto an issue which would send your approval ratings "SOARING" (in a New York minute) all you would have to do is to all of a sudden have an epiphany and explain to the public that you are going to support the House Bill and (seriously) work towards "sealing" our borders and plan on doing so before the end of the year--regardless of the cost and regardless of the consequences (most notably, your friendship with El Presidente Fox).

Of course we Conservatives want (and expect) you to nominate more conservative judicial nominees

"Democrats will make a huge mistake if they're too partisan and refuse to give us a hearing on the nominees. So it's not even the vote that matters, it's what Democrats do when the nominations come in," the former official said."

"If Democrats move to squelch the nominations, the president plans to hammer home the split on core values between the two parties in an attempt to woo back his base."

You know what? I believe you are on the right track here, Mr. President and this "strategy" (one of putting the onus squarely where it belongs--with the obstructionists and liberal opposition) is brilliant.

Of course, Mr. President, will you (and your spokespersons) "hammer" Republican Liberals/Moderates RINOS(you know, McCain, Chafee, Shay, et al) who will oppose you as well?

And, Mr. President, if this "strategy" you intend to employ is one which you believe is going to be advantageous and help improve you favor ability among your base (and I believe it will) WHY NOT utilize it in the immigration issue, or, perhaps, we are not misguied or in error, when myself and many others "suggest" that you are NOT sincere when you speak of "securing" the borders and could care less about the dire consequences this Nation will suffer as a result of the Senate Bill which you so wholeheartedly endorse and support?

Finally, while we Conservatives are extremely disappointed in so many areas and issues you have supported (or conversely not supported);and while many of us are criticize and condemn, we have NOT forsaken you or the Republican Party—which unfortunately, is the ONLY viable political party which closely reflects our views.

The question remains: Have you, Mr. President, forsaken not only your “base,” but the rest of the Conservative Americans who supported and voted for you?

1 posted on 06/03/2006 9:56:15 AM PDT by namvet66
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"Democrats will make a huge mistake if they're too partisan and refuse to give us a hearing on the nominees. So it's not even the vote that matters, it's what Democrats do when the nominations come in," the former official said.

Not even close to understanding. It does matter that there are votes.

If Democrats move to squelch the nominations, the president plans to hammer home the split on core values between the two parties in an attempt to woo back his base.

You aren't getting back your base by playing partisan games, calling them names and still pushing for amnesty.

"We need to remind Republicans to hang together because the alternative is much, much worse," the former official said.

Whatever.

"Pushing these two issues is going to shore up the base, because it will remind them of our core values, what is important to us."

To us? Gee, now you WANT to associate with us crazy right wing yahoos? Well don't I feel so special. :-)

Kill the Judicial filibuster. That will win you some support. Pretending you can't confirm judges because of DEMOCRATS won't play this time, not with 55 Senators. I'm aware they are Liberal but that's your problem. Why don't you sell them on the line they have to do it for the good of the party and Dems are worse?

Bottom line you can't yank our chain anymore. No amnesty, enforce the border, and kill the filibuster. That will win you support.

70 posted on 06/03/2006 11:06:01 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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When a Republican President sides with Teddy Kennedy and the Democrats against a 2 to 1 majority of Senators in his own party, then that President is in a wilderness he and only he can get himself out of. Political posturing on gay marriage just emphasizes how badly he has lost his way. As far as the congressional elections go, it is every Republican for himself. And at least the Republicans in the House are a little closer to the will of the people than Bush and the RINO's and they know no immigration bill is very bad for them, but the Bush-Fox-Kennedy plan is doomsday for hopes of retaining the House.


71 posted on 06/03/2006 11:08:31 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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It is obvious that Bush and Rove are pushing this gay marriage ban with the hope they will get some conservatives back on the reservation after they defected over the illegals issue. It will not work. Although I am against gay marriage, right now it pales in comparison to the immigration problem.
78 posted on 06/03/2006 11:29:50 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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ATTENTION....

I hereby proclaim the word UNAPPEASABLE to be the ad-hominem logical fallacy WORD OF THE WEEK.

The person who manages to use this word the greatest number of times during the next week...gets a brand new Websters dictionary, in the hopes that they look up the definition and connotations of the word APPEASE.

Furthermore, it is hoped, that said person uses a little thought process, to conclude, that those people who have changed history, who have stood uncompromisingly for the cause of freedom, were all UNAPPEASABLES....in that regard.

People like Reagan, John Paul II, and Thatcher, when they opposed what Reagan termed the "Evil Empire".

Ill take "unappeasable" any day...when it comes to opposing the leftist policies of Ted Kennedy and company. Its a complement in this regard as well.
85 posted on 06/03/2006 11:44:48 AM PDT by Dat Mon (Weldon, Shaffer, Philpott.......Men of Honor)
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FYI:

President Bush will hold a press conference in the Rose Garden of the White House to reiterate his support of the FMA Federal Marriage Amendment. The Rose Garden press conference is scheduled for Monday, June 5, a day before the Senate is expected to vote on the Constitutional Amendment.

The Senate votes on the Federal Marriage Amendment is only days away, there is no longer enough time to mail your Senators. However, You can contact your senators by e-mail by clicking here: E-Mail Your U.S. Senators.

You may use this sample text in your message:


Dear Senator [name]:

I strongly support Senate Joint Resolution 1 , the Marriage Protection Amendment, which will be brought up for consideration soon. It would amend the U.S. Constitution to state that “Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman.”

Marriage is more than a lifestyle choice. It makes a unique contribution to the common good of society by providing a way for a man and a woman to bring children into the world and to care for them in the context of a loving, committed, lifetime relationship. I ask you to vote in favor of S.J. Res. 1, in order to permanently protect the institution of marriage.

Sincerely,

[Your name] [Your address]



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The crux of his argument is simple: A majority of Americans support the idea that marriage is exclusively between a man and a woman, and activist judges across the country are thwarting the will of the people.

There are no howevers or buts on any issue UNLESS one is a dummycrat that derives principle from situation and leadership from polling...

90 posted on 06/03/2006 11:58:16 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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I've been thinking (hey, no funny comments necessary LOL). Secure the country's borders is a no brainer. Presently, unemployment is at 4.6% WITH 12 million illegals in the country. GDP growth has been anywhere between 3-5% a quarter for the past few years.

My questions, how do we conservatives mimic the free flow labor market that is happening under the present loose border policy? What are we conservatives going to do about labor market demand? With unemployment so low and GDP growth anywhere from 3-5%, cutting the free flow of labor could be problematic for future economic growth. I am very curious if anyone has thought of the Border/Immigration Problem from that angle?

I know this isn't a military question, but I wouldn't mind the best brains considering these questions. Thank you. :)
92 posted on 06/03/2006 12:15:43 PM PDT by Chgogal (The US Military fights for Freedom of the Press while the NYT lies about the Military and cowers...)
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WH is playing the shellgame, trying to get the base back.

To the Base: See -- ignore the illegals argument; gay marriage is the new issue; now come back and vote GOP. [That will guarantee amensty by the time Bush leaves office.]

[GM is going nowhere in Congress. They aren't going to pass such an amendment because most politicians dance around the marriage issue and say 'it is a states' rights issue'. This is all bluster.]


94 posted on 06/03/2006 12:18:17 PM PDT by TomGuy
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*sigh*

George and Karl, you are so yesterday!

These two issues are important. But as they are not driving the wholesale desertion by his base, they will also not bring it back.

One word, Mr. President. Immigration. If you don't get on the right side of this one, quick, and lead this nation back out of the thorny wilderness it is marching into, you will be trampled over by others who will.

This issue is all encompassing, Mr. President - not gay marriage or judges, not today. They may be ironed out if our country survives this looming immigration crisis.

It is not too late to turn this around, Mr. President. But you are first going to have to change your views and actions. If you don't, you can look forward to being impeached next year by a hostile Congress and tried in a hostile Senate. You can also look for your Iraq policy and War On Terror to be gutted. Sure, it won't be "fair", but nobody ever said politics is fair, did they?

These Liberals (the ones on your side in this immigration fight) are our nation's mortal enemies. They are playing for keeps and they are not your friends. If given the choice, they would prefer to have your head on a platter than Bin Laden's - and the country be damned!

But so are we playing for keeps, but we are your natural friends. However, you must either get out and lead on the "right" side - our side - of this single defining issue of our day or risk being left to dangle slowly, slowly in the wind as you and our Party go down to defeat and disaster both at home and abroad!

I can't make it any clearer than that, if you can read this.

99 posted on 06/03/2006 12:37:44 PM PDT by Gritty (This Senate Immigration Bill constitutes treachery against U.S. sovereignty - Charles Norwood, R-Ga.)
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Absolutely pathetic. Just how stupid do these people think we are? I suppose we'll just forget about all the wasteful spending, all the mismanagement, the new entitlements, our open border and all the rest. These people are cynical beyond belief.


107 posted on 06/03/2006 12:58:57 PM PDT by quesney
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How about just circling the border before rewarding law breakers with more rights than a common citizen has at their disposal.


122 posted on 06/03/2006 2:59:00 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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..President Bush, whose once-faithful base has abandoned him in droves, is turning to the same conservative hot-button issues that won him re-election in 2004 -- homosexual "marriage" and judicial nominees...

Mr. President I suggest you turn to the southern border and get it secure. Don't leave out the northern border either!

131 posted on 06/03/2006 3:41:22 PM PDT by mafree
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Bush needs to shut the borders! Start some of the tariffs that have been shoved aside. Take out the line item veto pen and use the blasted thing! In other words our president needs to start acting like a man and not pussy footing around.


132 posted on 06/03/2006 3:44:20 PM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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This was trotted out once before and died on the vine because of States rights. We all know it'll never get past the RINO's. This is smoke and mirrors.

No wonder the government wants to control the internet and sites like this..

.He proves by the day how stupid he thinks we all are.... and, thanks to the internet we have a place to discuss it and find out we are not alone in our concerns.

154 posted on 06/03/2006 8:37:51 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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Rove? Guru? HA!

Some guru.


168 posted on 06/04/2006 7:12:28 AM PDT by SerpentDove (There have been no terrorist attacks in United States since Jack Bauer has appeared on television.)
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My instincts tell me that Bush is trying to reconcile two diametically opposing views - on the one hand, he is trying to appeal to law and order conservatives, who want the illegals out and the border sealed. On the other hand, he is trying to ensure that the economy isn't hindered, and does not want to alienate the potentially huge Hispanic vote. What we are seeing is his attempt steer a middle course.

In my opinion, this is not going to work. He has to take a strong position for a very simple reason - any legitimisation of the illegal immigration weakens the system. Our dear President Reagan discovered this. It sets a dangerous precedent, whereby any law can be nullified if enough people break it.

I believe many of Bush's problems come from this desire to reconcile. He wants to work with the House and Senate, and thus agrees with earmarks which he should reject out of hand. This desire for "smooth" governance, led his father to make that terrible bargain with congressional Democrats that raised taxes. It's a pity he has inherited this quality.

Regards, Ivan

176 posted on 06/04/2006 2:35:52 PM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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Hey dubbya, how's that whole "new tone" thing working out?


225 posted on 06/06/2006 9:35:09 PM PDT by thatdewd
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