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Rooting for anyone but England (Israel's soccer fans root for England's defeat in World Cup)
Miami Herald ^ | 06/02/2006 | By URI DROMI

Posted on 06/02/2006 11:46:01 PM PDT by NZerFromHK

JERUSALEM -- With the soccer World Cup games about to begin next week, the question of which team you are going to support becomes crucial. For an American, it's simple: You support the American team, and if you're Hispanic, you get a bonus, because you can also enjoy Argentina, Costa Rica, Paraguay and Ecuador playing against the rest of the world -- not to mention favorite Brazil.

However, for fans whose country didn't qualify, like Israel, it's not so easy. Of course, people who have immigrated from Argentina or the Ukraine, and there are many of those in Israel, the question is settled. But what about the rest? Should we support Holland, because Dutchmen saved some Jews during the Holocaust? Or Ivory Coast, to stand by the underdog? Or Italy, because their players all look like Leonardo Di Caprio? Tough decision.

We know, though, which team all Israelis are going to hate: Iran. You watch these people chasing the ball and you pray that they stumble, thinking, of course, about a different game, the one their scientists and politicians are playing back home, aimed at destroying Israel. The day will come when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his lieutenants will be coerced to drop their deadly nuclear scheme. In the meantime, let their soccer players suffer a humiliating defeat every time they show up in the stadium.

Recently, however, another team has made itself a candidate to be the most disliked by Israelis: England. The reason? The British National Association of Teachers in Further and Higher Education has just adopted a resolution calling for a boycott on Israeli universities, because of Israel's policies toward the Palestinians.

That such a resolution should be adopted when Israel has shown its will to stop ruling the Palestinians -- first by pulling out of Gaza and then by indicating its intention for more withdrawals in the West Bank -- is a testimony to the hypocrisy of these so-called educators.

But is this just a criticism of Israel's policies? Anti-Defamation League National Director Abraham Foxman, author of Never Again? The Threat of the New Anti-Semitism, believes that there is more. Writing in the International Herald Tribune in April 2005, when the British organization initiated this sinister resolution, he wrote, ``The call to boycott Israeli academic institutions has hundreds of supporters in Europe, nourished by a growing climate of anti-Zionism that is often indistinguishable from anti-Semitism.''

Alexander Yacobson, a columnist in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, concurs. Last week he wrote that coalition forces in Iraq kill civilians ''much more easily'' than Israeli troops in the occupied territories, but that Israeli universities were nevertheless singled out for sanction. ''There is no escaping the conclusion that beyond any legitimate political criticism, the emotional stance of Europe toward Israel is influenced -- and not only on the margins -- by the deep and ancient European obsession and pathology regarding the Jewish nation,'' he wrote.

Hotbeds of free thinking

Indeed, I would have liked to see those Brits, who uphold human rights so much, pass a resolution boycotting Iran because of its president's threats to eliminate Israel and for denying the Holocaust. But that, of course, is asking too much.

Also, there is something totalitarian and McCarthyite in this British approach. Obviously trying to recycle the boycott that worked against South Africa, the British boycotters ignore the fact that unlike in South Africa, where the universities were part and parcel of the apartheid system, the universities in Israel are hotbeds of free thinking and many of their faculty and students are critical of the government's policies. By indiscriminately boycotting the Israeli universities, the British educators will only strengthen those in Israel, mainly from the right, who have always said, ``Why bother, the world is against us anyway.''

Many Israeli academicians are trying to cooperate with their Palestinian colleagues, believing that big politics aside, people of goodwill and capabilities from both sides should work together for a better future for their peoples. By their senseless and vicious motion, the British educators will only undermine such efforts.

That's it. When David Beckham, Wayne Rooney and the other English players walk into the stadium, I'll pray for their defeat, even by Iran. Well, maybe that's too harsh. Let Saudi Arabia beat them.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; britain; england; germany; greatbritain; israel; jewish; jewishpeople; jews; soccer; uk; worldcup
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Uri Dromi is director of International Outreach at the Israel Democracy Institute in Jerusalem.
1 posted on 06/02/2006 11:46:03 PM PDT by NZerFromHK
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To: NZerFromHK

I understand the author's intentions. But let's dose some reality with the tournament's arrangements: England won't meet Saudi Arabia until the semi-finals, and I'm certain Saudi Arabia won't make it far and it will be less than 1/3 chance England will make it to the semis.

If Iran makes to to the final 8, it may meet England in the Quarter-finals, but again it is highly doubtful if Iran will make it past the group stage.

Time to read the schedules first, Mr Dromi.


2 posted on 06/02/2006 11:52:21 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Western MSMs are becoming Chinese media, nothing is true apart from the paper's name and date.)
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To: dervish; familyop

Israel and soccer ping!


3 posted on 06/02/2006 11:53:06 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Western MSMs are becoming Chinese media, nothing is true apart from the paper's name and date.)
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To: NZerFromHK

Official website: http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/

As most of you know, USA qualified for the World Cup and will play their first game against the second-ranked Czech Republic on June 12 in Gelsenkirchen. After facing the Czechs, the U.S. plays Italy in Kaiserslautern on June 17 and concludes group play against Ghana in Nuremberg on June 22.


4 posted on 06/02/2006 11:55:32 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Support www.MinutemanBorderFence.com)
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To: soccer_maniac

I'm not optimistic the US will get out of the group stage this time - and day by day it seems it could be 1998 deja vu. In contarst I think Australia will have a large chance to surprise everyone, with Hiddink as their coach and all first XI choices that play at a higher level (Premiership, Bundesliga, Durch league, and Serie A) than many of the US team's 1st XI.


5 posted on 06/03/2006 12:01:43 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Western MSMs are becoming Chinese media, nothing is true apart from the paper's name and date.)
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To: NZerFromHK
He's completely out of his mind if he prefers Saudi Arabia to England.

Secondly, if he believes that academics in the United States are any different from those in Britain, he hasn't really been paying attention recently. Edward Said made his home at Columbia University, not Oxford.

Regards, Ivan

6 posted on 06/03/2006 12:05:21 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: NZerFromHK

Really, are we supposed to care who wins? If so, why? If the winner got to push the button on Iran I would care.Until then I don't,


7 posted on 06/03/2006 12:05:50 AM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: NZerFromHK

Group E tactics (great article)

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=368729&root=worldcup&cc=5901


8 posted on 06/03/2006 12:06:17 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Support www.MinutemanBorderFence.com)
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To: NZerFromHK
American, it's simple: You support the American team,

...When it comes to soccer....not really...

(but then we don't root for any one in soccer)

9 posted on 06/03/2006 12:06:59 AM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back their race over country)
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To: tophat9000
Come now, you really should support the American team. One thing you may not recall as that during the last World Cup, America beat Mexico.

Given recent difficulties, one should at least hope that humiliation is repeated.

Addtionally, they are really quite good.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 06/03/2006 12:09:35 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: NZerFromHK
The Israelis should take up the cheer I heard from a couple yobs leaving a bar one night: "Fook McManaman fook McAteer!"

Doesn't matter if those two are on the England squad or not - it's just such a catchy tune, you can't help but sing along!

11 posted on 06/03/2006 12:15:58 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: MadIvan

This is right, but let me be the devil's advocate here: one crucial difference is that American pro-Palestinian academics (which basically means almost all of US academics in humanities etc) at least still invite Israel's Chomsky clones to conferences that they organize, while they would be treated as personae non grata among members of the British National Association of Teachers in Further and Higher Education, notwithstanding these Israeli academics are just as self-loathing anti-Israel as they themselves.


12 posted on 06/03/2006 12:16:10 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Western MSMs are becoming Chinese media, nothing is true apart from the paper's name and date.)
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To: NZerFromHK

I just bought my England jersey today. I hope the Israeli's out there can forgive me ;)


13 posted on 06/03/2006 12:19:26 AM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: NZerFromHK
I really don't see much of a difference - American academics loathe Israel just as much as the British academics do. The "gesture" that the British academics made should not be the sole criteria upon which this gentleman judges matters. I'm perfectly willing to accept that academics in Britain are left wing kooks, I'm saying that it's not just the UK, there are left wing, pro-Palestinian kooks in almost every Western university.

I do also wonder about what this fellow feels about the Sorbonne. Whatever British academics have said, that's nothing compared to the vitriolic hatred they'd get from French academia.

Regards, Ivan

14 posted on 06/03/2006 12:20:21 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
America beat Mexico.

Did the American have "INS" on there jersey?

15 posted on 06/03/2006 12:20:44 AM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back their race over country)
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To: MadIvan

Probably the hatred stems from the days of Palestinian Mandate, I don't know. I think they have spoken out against France's Muslim and white far right and left-wing anti-Semitism as well.

Anyway, so much with politics about the World Cup. At least because HK was a former British colony we grew up watching English football. I know many of my friends in HK root for England in the competition. Let's see who wins LOL.


16 posted on 06/03/2006 12:24:36 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Western MSMs are becoming Chinese media, nothing is true apart from the paper's name and date.)
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To: tophat9000
Not at all. The Mexicans were just outclassed and outplayed.

It was a burning humiliation for the Mexicans, truly.

Regards, Ivan

17 posted on 06/03/2006 12:26:41 AM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: NZerFromHK

Stupid article, if you are hispanic.... and they don't name Mexico?

As for me, I'm a huge football fan, love the American team. We have a super tough group that we probably won't make out of, no slight on our team, but the Czechs and the Italians are the cream of the crop.

Barring the US and given the fact that my other country, Ireland didn't make it, I will cheer for England, the Netherlands and the "new" African teams, Togo, Cote'de Ivorie, and Ghana and some respect for Tunisia.

I will be, as always against Mexico, France, Argentina, Spain, Croatia and Serbia (still with Montenegro....for now), as well as Iran.

But that is the fun of World Cup, the whole world, the whole spectacle, the rivals, and the groups of death.


18 posted on 06/03/2006 12:32:38 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (No one censors speech they agree with.)
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To: MadIvan

The US Mexico game last cup was a thing of beauty. Only matched by our qualifier in the ice and snow of Columbus when the Mexicans were befuddled by the ice and more importantly by the fans, who, unlike 4 years earlier in LA were all American, and all rooting for their side.

That being said...

We have a great team, but is it good enough to beat or draw CZ and Italy? I don't think so, but that is the luck of the draw every 4 years. If we beat Ghana, and draw Italy, we might qualify, but we would need CZ to draw Italy.


19 posted on 06/03/2006 12:43:40 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (No one censors speech they agree with.)
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To: NZerFromHK
The difference between the USA and England on this issue is that the boycott by English academics is supported by so many of them as to be an organized boycott.

Here's another example of sentiment in Britain.

ICM (Poll of British people)
"ICM Research interviewed a random sample of 1,000 adults aged 18+ by telephone on 20-21st April, 2002. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults.
. . .

"Q3. In the dispute in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestinians, from what you have seen and heard about the conflict which of the two do you sympathise with more, Israel or the Palestinians?"

Israel           14%
Palestine      28%
Both            14%
Neither         23%
Don't know   20%
"
20 posted on 06/03/2006 1:05:31 AM PDT by familyop ("The Romans and their Empire were but a bauble in comparison to the Jews." --President John Adams)
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