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Position on Immigration Says a lot About One's Patriotism
Sierra Times ^ | 6/1/2006 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 06/01/2006 12:44:31 PM PDT by FerdieMurphy

As the immigration debate continues to roll along, without any apparent give from either side, it has truly been an eye-opening experience. The rhetoric used to distort the truth about what is happening in our country can at times makes one wonder if we can determine what is the truth. But the truth is there to see for anyone who will honestly look.

On the one hand, you have people who want to ‘forgive and forget,’ allowing illegals to stay here and be put on a fast track to citizenship without any real demands on them. Some of these ‘forgivers’ even want to effectively backdate illegals’ future citizenship so they can reap the benefits of Social Security (whether they truly paid into the system or not) from they work they did here illegally.

Much of the argument for a lax attitude towards illegal immigrants is based on either a sympathetic, if naïve, view of illegals, or a claim of needing to fill jobs that otherwise wouldn’t be filled.

On the other hand, there are people who see rapid changes taking place in our society that promote disunity and an attitude of indifference toward the laws of the land. This group believes that assimilation is imperative to avoid problems that we see concerning mass immigration (such as has happened in France, the Netherlands, and other European countries), and issues that arise when there are divided linguistic and cultural traditions within the borders of one country (such as in Bosnia-Herzegovina, Canada to a lesser degree, and even in some African countries where various tribes have been thrown together thanks to colonialism and the random drawing of national borders).

Assimilation cannot take place when the influx of immigrants is so great as to permit a separate culture to thrive within our borders, and not only allows people to not assimilate, but encourages maintaining a thoroughly separate identity, culture, and language.

There comes a time when ultimately a person has to ask themselves if they desire to welcome people to our land who are looking for not only opportunity, but are looking to become ‘one of us.’ The answer should clearly be that we should welcome those who see the good in our land and want to become a part of it, adding to the mix but ultimately conforming to the dominant language and culture.

We should not welcome those who want to come here to take advantage of what we have, but do not wish to become one of us. We should especially not fling open the doors and say, “Anyone and everyone can come in, no waiting required, and no demands will be put on you. Take what you want, and don’t worry about those supposedly in line ahead of you or those that already live and work here.”

Patriotism is a love of the land and the people, and a respect for the traditions and values of that land and people. No one can, in any reasonable view of things, call themselves a patriot who embraces giving a pass to those who break into our country, violating our immigration laws, then not only refuse to assimilate, but take advantage of our legal and social systems (often without paying into those systems), and demand even more.

In fact, encouraging the illegal mass migration into America of a people group, supporting the ‘underground’ employment of these people, then wanting to declare them ‘legal,’ and further open the door to more from the same people group, thus threatening our culture, social system, laws, and very existence, can only be called one thing: treason.

The U.S. Senate has made it clear that they aren’t interested in the will or desires of the American people. They are basically violating their oaths of office, committing treason, and attempting to ‘paper over it’ with a law that they have no intention of enforcing except for the part that allows more people to flood our country.

President Bush is in a position to do even more to defend this country than the Senate, and he is acting in even more treasonous ways than the Senate.

The only hope the citizens of this country have is that the House of Representatives will make a stand, or that state, county, and local officials will act on their behalf.

The evidence so far is not promising.

What is truly pathetic is that the overwhelming majority of citizens will be very unhappy with their elected officials, but when November comes around, over 80% of the people in office who have refused to do the will of the people will win re-election.

If someone worked for me and refused to handle their work in the manner I wanted, I’d fire them. Why aren’t we firing our politicians?

Patriots know how to stand up for their land and their people. Patriots should vote the treasonous rabble out of office come November. To borrow from GWB, either you are with us or against us (the ‘us’ being the American citizens and legal aliens). Patriots are for law and order, and the rights of citizens over the desires of a horde of law-breakers. Traitors are willing to see our country overrun by outsiders who want what we have, but don’t want to be part of us. Justify it all you want, but anyone who is a citizen of this country and is defending illegals is betraying their country.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1morehatebushthread; congress; illegalimmigration; immigration; treason
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...encouraging the illegal mass migration into America of a people group, supporting the ‘underground’ employment of these people, then wanting to declare them ‘legal,’ and further open the door to more from the same people group, thus threatening our culture, social system, laws, and very existence, can only be called one thing: treason.

That's exactly right!

1 posted on 06/01/2006 12:44:34 PM PDT by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

oh gawd... like the topic isn't HOT enough as is.

jeez....


2 posted on 06/01/2006 12:49:34 PM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: FerdieMurphy

"If someone worked for me and refused to handle their work in the manner I wanted, I’d fire them. Why aren’t we firing our politicians?"

You can't fire these folks. We can however have an election and vote them out of office and that day is coming.


3 posted on 06/01/2006 12:52:56 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"President Bush is in a position to do even more to defend this country than the Senate, and he is acting in even more treasonous ways than the Senate."

If the President were half as ambitious to close the borders and have the laws enforced as he is determined to see America undermined, we could have this and many other problems solved within two years or so.

4 posted on 06/01/2006 12:55:06 PM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Actually, this is a great piece on what it means to be an American and what American immigrants have always been expected to do.

The illegals want to be rewarded for breaking all the rules. We have a lot of people in prison right now for doing exactly what so many of them have done, knowing it was against the law.

They have no right to be considered for citizenship. They have already disqualified themselves.
5 posted on 06/01/2006 12:55:38 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: FerdieMurphy
Jeff Adams is one of the 3rd Party pushers. What's Patriotic about wanting to split up the Republican party and hand everything over to the commie democRATs?
6 posted on 06/01/2006 12:55:46 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION, IT INCLUDES TERRORIST SLEEPER CELLS!!)
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To: FerdieMurphy
What is truly pathetic is that the overwhelming majority of citizens will be very unhappy with their elected officials, but when November comes around, over 80% of the people in office who have refused to do the will of the people will win re-election.

The sad truth.

7 posted on 06/01/2006 12:57:28 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: FerdieMurphy
I live in Atlanta and the amount of illegals is staggering. I say the way to stop it is to hit the employees hard that hire them, You can not go to a hospital without 20-30 illegals in the ER. This comes at a time when companies are cutting health care to the bone. That why I say go after the employers.
8 posted on 06/01/2006 1:00:12 PM PDT by bronxboy
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To: azhenfud

If you would listen to what President Bush says and not read what others interpret wrongly and twist what he's said, you might learn something.

Just this morning he said "we must stop the illegals coming across the borders" but most people turned their hearing aids off when he was saying that.


9 posted on 06/01/2006 1:00:23 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION, IT INCLUDES TERRORIST SLEEPER CELLS!!)
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To: FreedomNeocon
"Patriotism is a love of the land and the people, and a respect for the traditions and values of that land and people."

Webster's definition:
Patriotism,
love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it

There, that should heat it up some more!
10 posted on 06/01/2006 1:00:31 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: FreedomNeocon
I love it when children get to write essays.

It's no longer a political disagreement, it's now treasonous to disagree with pinheads. Who'd a thunk it?

I just have to laugh at those who call Bush a traitor. Two months ago we weren't even talking about this issue, now it's the dividing line between Who's A Patriot and Who Isn't.

I happen to support the House bill and think Bush's religious fervor to save people is nice and all but completely wrongheaded, but he certainly hasn't changed his position since he was running in 2000, so I have to wonder about all these people who've been on this issue forever (yeah, right) who apparently voted for someone they knew was a traitor.

There's not a shred of difference between the hysteria over at DU and the hysterics here--both are emotional, both need a reality check, and both are doing everything they can to put the CommieDems in charge of our immigration laws and everything else.

11 posted on 06/01/2006 1:01:22 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (All Hail Buah The Wasp Killer!!!!!)
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To: FreedomNeocon
I love it when children get to write essays.

It's no longer a political disagreement, it's now treasonous to disagree with pinheads. Who'd a thunk it?

I just have to laugh at those who call Bush a traitor. Two months ago we weren't even talking about this issue, now it's the dividing line between Who's A Patriot and Who Isn't.

I happen to support the House bill and think Bush's religious fervor to save people is nice and all but completely wrongheaded, but he certainly hasn't changed his position since he was running in 2000, so I have to wonder about all these people who've been on this issue forever (yeah, right) who apparently voted for someone they knew was a traitor.

There's not a shred of difference between the hysterics over at DU and the hysterics here--both are emotional, both need a reality check, and both are doing everything they can to put the CommieDems in charge of our immigration laws and everything else.

12 posted on 06/01/2006 1:01:33 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (All Hail Buah The Wasp Killer!!!!!)
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To: bronxboy
I live in California in a neighbor with houses priced between $500K and $650K. A year ago a new neighbor moved right next door into the largest house in the neighborhood. They were "renters" with the rent paid by our state government. They apparently had no jobs. Within a few weeks they began filling the pool with empty beer cans and my wife and I learned all about "cock fighting". I sure do love this government financed "diversity"!
13 posted on 06/01/2006 1:07:15 PM PDT by JLGALT (Get ready - Lock and Load!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

This guy is right. Good post.


14 posted on 06/01/2006 1:09:29 PM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Nope it's not exactly right ...

Tell me, what possible reason could an employer of illegals have for wanting them to become legal ?


15 posted on 06/01/2006 1:09:45 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: AmeriBrit

"If you would listen to what President Bush says . ."

I read the account of his address to the national NGO representing businesses that employ illegal aliens.

Whatever he wants to call it, President Bush wants to give amnesty to Mexican nationals illegally in our country.

See, that's the problem: we have been listening.


16 posted on 06/01/2006 1:14:05 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: AmeriBrit
We hear what he is saying just fine. YOU are not hearing what he is saying, if you were you would quote ALL of his speech, not just the part you want to quote to try to prove your point. We all heard his speeches on this subject and he is not for border security. Is he building a fence or wall, NO. Virtual fences are not real fences and don't work. Is he beefing up the border patrol? No. He is sending guard units down to train and make a show and not actually help the border patrol. So where is the security he is supposedly for?

Will it just magically pop up when the illegals start to come across in greater numbers in anticipation of the next amnesty? I don't think so. As a matter of fact they are already streaming across in record numbers hopeing the house will pass the shameful bill the senate signed onto.

Is it any wonder so many conservatives will be voting 3rd party this Nov?

17 posted on 06/01/2006 1:18:20 PM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"President Bush is in a position to do even more to defend this country than the Senate, and he is acting in even more treasonous ways than the Senate."

I stopped reading this slop right there. An article that calls President Bush treasonous because they disagree with his views on correcting the illegal immigration problem( that has been around longer that President Bush has been in office) is just BS, IMHO.
18 posted on 06/01/2006 1:23:39 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Bravo! We have been invaded by an army of foreigners. It just so happens that they refuse to wear uniforms. They bring their families with them and demand free medical care, free social services, free food, and free education. After they graduate from high school, they demand first top priority in the best universities. They are taking jobs away from citizens. Big companies would rather pay low wages to illegal workers than decent wages with full benefits to citizens. Wake up people! Congress has been bribed. Bag men distribute millions behind closed doors. Everybody in D.C. is corrupt.

Treason is the appropriate term to use.


19 posted on 06/01/2006 1:26:33 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Matthew 7:1 through 6)
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To: calex59

"Is he building a fence or wall, NO."
Then that must be a mirage down on the So. California border.


"Is he beefing up the border patrol? No."
......WRONG!


"He is sending guard units down to train and make a show"
Tell that to the NG that will be down there in the sweltering heat building and putting up the barriers etc.,


20 posted on 06/01/2006 1:34:36 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION, IT INCLUDES TERRORIST SLEEPER CELLS!!)
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