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New Orleans sinking faster than expected
AP on Yahoo ^ | 5/31/06 | Seth Borenstien - ap

Posted on 05/31/2006 12:07:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Parts of New Orleans are sinking far more rapidly than scientists first thought, more than an inch a year, new research suggests.

That may explain some levee failures during Hurricane Katrina and raises more worries about the future.

The research, being published Thursday in the journal Nature, is based on new satellite radar data for the three years before Katrina struck in 2005. The data show that some areas are sinking — from overdevelopment, drainage and natural seismic shifts — four or five times faster than the rest of the city. And that, experts say, can be deadly.

"My concern is the very low-lying areas," said lead author Tim Dixon, a University of Miami geophysicist. "I think those areas are death traps. I don't think those areas should be rebuilt."

For years, scientists figured New Orleans on average was sinking about one-fifth of an inch a year based on 100 measurements of the region, Dixon said. The new data from 150,000 measurements taken from space finds that about 10 percent to 20 percent of the region had yearly subsidence in the inch-a-year range, he said.

As the grounds in those rapidly sinking areas shift downward, the protection from levees also falls, scientists and engineers said.

For example, the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, built more than three decades ago, has sunk by more than 3 feet since its construction, Dixon said. That, he added, explained why water poured over the levee and part of it failed.

"The people in St. Bernard got wiped out because the levee was too low," said co-author Roy Dokka, director of the Louisiana Spatial Center at Louisiana State University. "It's as simple as that."

The subsidence "is making the land more vulnerable; it's also screwed up our ability to figure out where the land is," Dokka said. And it means some evacuation roads, hospitals and shelters are further below sea level than emergency planners thought, he said.

So when government officials talk of rebuilding levees to pre-Katrina levels, it may really still be several feet below what's needed, Dokka and others say.

"Levees that are subsiding at a high rate are prone to failure," Dixon said.

The federal government, especially the Army Corps of Engineers, hasn't taken the dramatic sinking into account in rebuilding plans, said University of Berkeley engineering professor Bob Bea, part of an independent National Academy of Sciences-Berkeley team that analyzed the levee failures during Katrina.

"You have to change how you provide short- and long-term protection," said Bea, a former engineer in New Orleans. He said plans for concrete walls don't make sense because they sink and can't be easily added onto. In California, engineers are experimenting with lighter weight reinforced foam-middle levee walls, he said.

Dixon and his co-author Dokka disagree on the major causes of New Orleans not-so-slow falling into the Gulf of Mexico.

Dixon blames overdevelopment and drainage of marshlands, saying "all the problems are man-made; before people settled there in the 1700s, this area was at sea level."

But Dokka said much of the sinking is because of natural seismic shifts that have little to do with construction.

All is not completely lost, Dokka said. Smarter construction can buy New Orleans some time.

"We've made the pact with the devil by moving down here," he said. "If we do things right, we probably can get another 100-200-300 years out of this area."


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: expected; faster; katrina; katrinafailures; letitsink; neworleans; sinking
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1 posted on 05/31/2006 12:07:19 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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"The people in St. Bernard got wiped out because the levee was too low," said co-author Roy Dokka, director of the Louisiana Spatial Center at Louisiana State University. "It's as simple as that."

If Katrina had tracked thirty miles or so further west, it wouldn't have made any difference anyway.

2 posted on 05/31/2006 12:08:42 PM PDT by dirtboy (When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
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To: NormsRevenge

...and I don't wanna swim.


3 posted on 05/31/2006 12:09:19 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: NormsRevenge
we probably can get another 100-200-300 years out of this area." for $1 Trillion, $10 Trillion, $100 Trillion respectively...Nice pigs at the trough...
4 posted on 05/31/2006 12:09:28 PM PDT by King Moonracer
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I posted the lyrics to that GREAT Tragically Hip song here and got NO response except someone making fun.


5 posted on 05/31/2006 12:10:37 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: Hardastarboard

Well they aren't well known outside of Canada.


6 posted on 05/31/2006 12:13:07 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, the conventional wisdom says that if we build a wall, and dig a huge moat around it, all the dirt can be taken to build up New Orleans.


7 posted on 05/31/2006 12:15:16 PM PDT by Disturbin (Hey Hey, Ho Ho, The Illegals Have to GO)
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To: NormsRevenge

If the citizens of Pompeii had known Vesuvius was going to blow two weeks before it happened, don't you think they would have had the brains to move to a different location?

Not sure about the intelligence of those in the "Bowl City" who think staying there is just going to work out.


8 posted on 05/31/2006 12:16:05 PM PDT by madison10
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To: NormsRevenge

Question: How can I stop my house from sinking every time I build it in a swamp?

Answer: Stop building in the swamp.


9 posted on 05/31/2006 12:16:55 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: NormsRevenge

America's "venice"?


10 posted on 05/31/2006 12:17:03 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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And don't forget, we can then ship all the alligators in Florida to the moat, solving yet another problem.


11 posted on 05/31/2006 12:17:13 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: NormsRevenge


Hard to keep a Sess Pool Afloat...


12 posted on 05/31/2006 12:18:02 PM PDT by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: NormsRevenge

I can hear Paul Simon singing, "Slip sliding away..."


13 posted on 05/31/2006 12:20:17 PM PDT by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all)
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You know what is going to happen. A bunch of money is going to be sunk (pun intended) into New Orleans rebuilding. The elected officials will select the cheapest and most politically expedient route and will ignore reality. The Army Core of Engineers will build whatever they think is minimally needed and will also ignore outside evaluations like this where what they think is the minimum required is much less than what's needed. All the people involved in rebuilding will ahve great photo ops and win lots of praises and when the next storm hits, the city will be devastated because the proper levy infrastructure was not used.

The Netherlands claimed what, 25-30% of their land area from the North Sea and built an expensive, state of the art levy system that is very robust and highly functional. Around the same time, the NO levys were built basically as piles of dirt. Why can't the U.S., the economically strongest and most technologically advanced nation do the same?

14 posted on 05/31/2006 12:20:36 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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New Orleans sinking faster than expected

In more ways than one. - OB1

15 posted on 05/31/2006 12:21:10 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Ohhhh they mean literally...
16 posted on 05/31/2006 12:22:20 PM PDT by rattrap
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To: Bryan24

When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.


17 posted on 05/31/2006 12:24:16 PM PDT by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: dirtboy

But I thought Jesse Jackson and Blanco said it was all either Bush's fault or the Corp of Engineer's fault?


Aren't the environmentalists supposed to be screaming that people should not be living in those areas? and can't taxpayers simply say their will not pay to protect any area below a certain level period.


18 posted on 05/31/2006 12:25:15 PM PDT by rod1
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To: Bryan24

King of Swamp Castle: When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.


19 posted on 05/31/2006 12:25:23 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: NormsRevenge
For example, the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, built more than three decades ago, has sunk by more than 3 feet since its construction, Dixon said.

The land is sinking, but I thought that the ocean is rising.

20 posted on 05/31/2006 12:26:31 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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