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Scientists say Arctic once was tropical
Associated Press ^ | May 31, 2006 | Seth Borenstein

Posted on 05/31/2006 11:52:30 AM PDT by AntiGuv

WASHINGTON - Scientists have found what might have been the ideal ancient vacation hotspot with a 74-degree Fahrenheit average temperature, alligator ancestors and palm trees. It's smack in the middle of the Arctic.

First-of-its-kind core samples dug up from deep beneath the Arctic Ocean floor show that 55 million years ago an area near the North Pole was practically a subtropical paradise, three new studies show.

The scientists say their findings are a glimpse backward into a much warmer-than-thought polar region heated by run-amok greenhouse gases that came about naturally.

Skeptics of man-made causes of global warming have nothing to rejoice over, however. The researchers say their studies appearing in Thursday's issue of Nature also offer a peak at just how bad conditions can get.

"It probably was (a tropical paradise) but the mosquitoes were probably the size of your head," said Yale geology professor Mark Pagani, a study co-author.

And what a watery, swampy world it must have been.

"Imagine a world where there are dense sequoia trees and cypress trees like in Florida that ring the Arctic Ocean," said Pagani, a member of the multinational Arctic Coring Expedition that conducted the research.

Millions of years ago the Earth experienced an extended period of natural global warming. But around 55 million years ago there was a sudden supercharged spike of carbon dioxide that accelerated the greenhouse effect.

Scientists already knew this "thermal event" happened but are not sure what caused it. Perhaps massive releases of methane from the ocean, the continent-sized burning of trees, lots of volcanic eruptions.

Many experts figured that while the rest of the world got really hot, the polar regions were still comfortably cooler, maybe about 52 degrees Fahrenheit.

But the new research found the polar average was closer to 74 degrees. So instead of Boston-like weather year-round, the Arctic was more like Miami North. Way north.

"It's the first time we've looked at the Arctic, and man, it was a big surprise to us," said study co-author Kathryn Moran, an oceanographer at the University of Rhode Island. "It's a new look to how the Earth can respond to these peaks in carbon dioxide."

It's enough to make Santa Claus break into a sweat.

The 74-degree temperature, based on core samples which act as a climatic time capsule, was probably the year-round average, but because data is so limited it might also be just the summertime average, researchers said.

What's troubling is that this hints that future projections for warming, several degrees over the next century, may be on the low end, said study lead author Appy Sluijs of the Institute of Environmental Biology at Utrecht University in the Netherlands.

Also it shows that what happened 55 million years ago was proof that too much carbon dioxide — more than four times current levels — can cause global warming, said another co-author Henk Brinkhuis at Utrecht University.

Purdue University atmospheric sciences professor Gabriel Bowen, who was not part of the team, praised the work and said it showed that "there are tipping points in our (climate) system that can throw us to these conditions."

And the new research also gave scientists the idea that a simple fern may have helped pull Earth from a hothouse to an icehouse by sucking up massive amounts of carbon dioxide. Unfortunately, this natural solution to global warming was not exactly quick: It took about a million years.

With all that heat and massive freshwater lakes forming in the Arctic, a fern called Azolla started growing and growing. Azolla, still found in warm regions today, grew so deep, so wide that eventually it started sucking up carbon dioxide, Brinkhuis theorized. And that helped put the cool back in the Arctic.

Bowen said he has a hard time accepting that part of the research, but Brinkhuis said the studies show tons upon tons of thick mats of Azolla covered the Arctic and moved south.

"This could actually contribute to push the world to a cooling mode," Brinkhuis said, but only after it got hotter first and then it would take at least 800,000 years to cool back down. It's not something to look forward to, he said.


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KEYWORDS: algore; axis; climatechange; earth; global; globalwarming; haughtonastrobleme; oops; science; suvs; warming
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To: Tzimisce
UUummmm, does ice exist at 74deg? Just wondering how the particles got caught in the middle of a core sample...

It would be plausible if they got the samples from a rock bed on Greenland.... I mean, there isn't any land in the artic, it's a FLOATING icecap....

61 posted on 05/31/2006 1:09:07 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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To: bandleader

sure, you can make yourself burp, or let it happen naturally, only seems natural....


62 posted on 05/31/2006 1:10:30 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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To: Daralundy

It's not new. We studied this 40 years ago in high school science. Of course, it is news to the young journalists because they weren't taught this while they were in school. Plus, they stopped learning once they had finished college.


63 posted on 05/31/2006 1:11:57 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: travlnmn41

At least Fred Flinstone was doing his part to save the Earth

64 posted on 05/31/2006 1:13:47 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Creationist ping.

Evolution does not predict this, yet the biblical canopy certainly does make this prediction.

Also note the "55 million years ago...spike in carbon dioxide..." Back in those days the half-life of C14 was different because of all the supernova activity; that, and I heard the dinosaurs were heavy smokers to boot.</s>
65 posted on 05/31/2006 1:19:08 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: Mike Darancette

You posted while I was typing! Amazing what that thin spit of land has done to the world!


66 posted on 05/31/2006 1:20:13 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: AntiGuv

You don't say...past global warming not connected with the industrial revolution and those horrible gas guzzlers? Tell me it ain't so...Algore will have to rethink and review his genius.


67 posted on 05/31/2006 1:22:24 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: AntiGuv

"55 million years ago there was a sudden supercharged spike of carbon dioxide that accelerated the greenhouse effect."

And how long would it take all of mankind to "cause" even a small fraction of this supercharged (natural) event?


68 posted on 05/31/2006 1:32:25 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: AntiGuv
BBC report here ,....but check the math carefully on the temperature changes.:

BBC: Arctic's tropical past uncovered ~~ ( So Global Warming isn't someting new....?)

69 posted on 05/31/2006 1:43:02 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: AntiGuv

Ancient earth just won't cooperate. Congress must pass a law or 2. algorejr,,,front and center!


70 posted on 05/31/2006 1:50:51 PM PDT by Waco
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To: AntiGuv

Isn't there a theory that the Earth can actually switch the position of it's axis?

If that's true that would explain this as well since the North Pole wouldn't of been the North Pole at that particular time.

That being said the axis shift theory probably happened a lot longer than 55 million years ago.


71 posted on 05/31/2006 1:57:29 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: TalBlack
You know, I am surprised no one seems concerned about the materiality of the numbers. When did this "sudden supercharged spike" occur? Maybe from 55.00M years ago to 54.99M years ago?

Hmmm. That's still 10,000 years --much longer than currently recorded history, and even longer than the 100 years I can hope to live! I think science still has a long way to go before it can truly "prove" anything worthwhile on this front!
72 posted on 05/31/2006 2:00:37 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: Almondjoy
Isn't there a theory that the Earth can actually switch the position of it's axis?

The Sun Rising In The West, Polarity Reversals, Oral Histories and Science

Yes there are but you have to remember that the globe rotating on it's axis acts like a huge gyroscope hence it would be hard to physically flip.

73 posted on 05/31/2006 2:09:24 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: Fighting Irish

well, make plans NOW for that vacation home overlooking the anwr pipelines..where the bears and the caribou play:)


74 posted on 05/31/2006 2:30:51 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: Tzimisce

You are right - Continental Drift is the reason - not global warming. This is just another attempt by the liberals to stampede the ignorant masses.


75 posted on 05/31/2006 3:18:17 PM PDT by Martins kid
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To: Zavien Doombringer

I normally(make myself burp)by drinking very cold seltzer!


76 posted on 05/31/2006 3:30:23 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: AntiGuv
"It probably was (a tropical paradise) but the mosquitoes were probably the size of your head," said Yale geology professor Mark Pagani, a study co-author.

Liberal science use that type or words often.

77 posted on 05/31/2006 5:07:48 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Liberalism is like a religion....islam)
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To: Daralundy

Uh. I knew about this thirty years ago when I was nine. GW is such a fraud.


78 posted on 05/31/2006 9:39:17 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Mike Darancette

So you're saying they are mostly crackpot then huh?


79 posted on 05/31/2006 9:42:56 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Tzimisce

I wish I could live another 50 million years so I could see how it all turns out.


80 posted on 05/31/2006 9:43:55 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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