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Didn't see this posted already, but this past weekend saw lots of "law enforcement" cracking down on these beltless criminals who infest our highways. Between the stoplight cameras, speed traps and seatbelt enforcers, the police have crime all covered.

Meanwhile the Mexican invasion continues unabated with the connivance of federal state and local governments. Of course you wouldn't want the police to crack down on wetbacks. No money in it. Guess it's obvious the government by, for and of the people isn't the taxpaying middle class people whose loot powers the government.

1 posted on 05/31/2006 9:42:53 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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I think this is all about getting federal grants.

And, yes, government at all levels has an interesting set of priorities, does it not?

2 posted on 05/31/2006 9:45:26 AM PDT by B Knotts
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In VA it's a secondary offense not to wear a seatbelt.


4 posted on 05/31/2006 9:49:49 AM PDT by Perdogg
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I couldn't agree more. The only thing that I can see that is good about seat belt laws is that we the people will be paying less for someone who injures themself in an accident and carries no insurance. But that is the only thing I can see good about them. I'm referring to adults of course, since children aren't able to make these decisions for themselves.


5 posted on 05/31/2006 9:50:08 AM PDT by Mazda3Fan
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When I go to work I need to make a left turn at a traffic light that has a left turn light. There is almost no oncoming traffic but traffic going my direction is very heavy – but the light will not give me green until the cross street gets a green, which can be several minutes.

Anyway, what I do is, if there is no other car stopped there, I simply make a turn without even slowing down (assuming there are no oncoming cars and nobody in the crosswalk”. Well, the other day, a car ahead of me pulled into the lane and I thought, “nuts, I’m gonna have to wait for the light”. I was shocked when he did exactly what I do. And I thought I was such a rebel…

I don’t stop at such lights any more, unless there is a safety reason like oncoming traffic or a pedestrian. I even did it in front of a cop one day – with no ill effects whatsoever.

I do think we are seeing more traffic anarchy.


8 posted on 05/31/2006 9:53:07 AM PDT by RobRoy
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"If I don't wear a seatbelt I risk my own life, which is well within my rights."

Who gave you the right to raise insurance rates both for automobile drivers and for healthcare costs? When you crush your body in a mangled mess, do you honestly think it doesn't affect everyone else? I wish that weren't the case and that drivers were totally responsible for their own stupidity, but that's not reality.


9 posted on 05/31/2006 9:53:51 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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The seatbelt law was passed here in Florida with the promise that it would have to always be a 'secondary offense'. In other words, the traffic stop would have to be based on some offense other than failure to use a seatbelt.

Next time the lawmakers make a promise, remember what they did to this one.

14 posted on 05/31/2006 9:56:10 AM PDT by capt. norm (Ben Franklin: "Does thou love life? Then do not squander time; for that's the stuff life is made of")
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When they first started ticketing for seatbelts they said they would only do it when they already had stopped a driver for another offense. Now they are going nuclear. Much like when they first started smog control on cars it was fairly reasonable with cars over a certain age being exempt and a maximum on how much you could be forced to spend. Now that program is on steroids. The incrementalism of statists is very effective and chilling.


15 posted on 05/31/2006 9:56:15 AM PDT by Honestfreedom
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19 posted on 05/31/2006 9:57:32 AM PDT by elkfersupper
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On an related issue but a different target.

I was in a park in Los Angeles on the holiday weekend getting ready to BBQ lunch for 17 people. LAPD officers were on foot patrol around the park and came up and told me I had 20 minutes to get my propane BBQ off of the property as propane BBQ's are now illegal to have in the park. They claim it is a fire hazard. This is a totally enclosed firebox we are talking about here. There were many people using charcoal BBQ'S with 2 foot flames leaping off of them, but those are OK,it is only propane that is illegal. Dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. 2 foot flames, OK
enclosed box not. Couldn't believe it.


29 posted on 05/31/2006 10:02:06 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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When the "New" (early 90's? Late 80's?) seat belt law was being championed by Tallahassee for votes here in Florida, the ads boldly, specifically and emphatically stated that if Florida voters approved this new law, no one would ever be "stopped" for non-use of seat belts. Rather, they would be ticketed for this offense only upon being stopped for another offense.

How stupid, gullible and short sighted have we all become to have believed this crap. (I voted against it)

And here we are in 2006, ("We, the People..."), where the specifics of how and why the law was passed are tossed out like yesterdays garbage.
30 posted on 05/31/2006 10:02:10 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1
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"Each of us owns himself, and it follows that we should have the liberty to take risks with our own lives but not that of others."

That's a good pro-drug-use argument.


34 posted on 05/31/2006 10:04:15 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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I'm betting he didn't get a reply.


37 posted on 05/31/2006 10:05:07 AM PDT by dljordan
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Move to New Hampshire, Walter. Live Free or Die!


39 posted on 05/31/2006 10:05:39 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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It's always about the money. Here in Nashville, our mayor openly admitted that he wants a 33% increase in revenues from traffic violations. And he's got the police chief, who's a political hack and a sap anyway, sending his cops out there to collect. I wonder if they even bother writing tickets to the illegals they stop? I mean, if they don't pay the fine, they're not going to bother to arrest them anyway since it's too much trouble and won't bring in any money. I don't know that "traffic anarchy" is the result of this kind of thing, but trying to pretend that I have "respect for the law" gets tougher by the minute.


45 posted on 05/31/2006 10:07:23 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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Wow, looking with amazement at some of these responses... Who knew that for so many on FR nanny statism was celebrated and Liberty was such a dirty word... May there be a zero-tolerance 55 mph speed limit with gps tracking, active government monitoring, and $1000 fines in your future...


57 posted on 05/31/2006 10:11:41 AM PDT by Zeppo
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Where mandated seat belt wear is concerned it's my observation (as someone who goes back before seat belts) that incrementalism rules. When seat belts first came about it was recommended that you wear them when operating a vehicle. Time went by and some states began mandating that you wear them ... to the extent that if stopped for some other reason (speeding for instance) and not wearing your seat belt an additional fine (add on) could be levied. This quickly spread to most other states. Recently laws have been passed that not wearing a seat belt is a stand alone offense ... if observed not wearing one while operating a vehicle you can be pulled over and cited. The nanny state prevails ...
66 posted on 05/31/2006 10:16:21 AM PDT by BluH2o
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Nothing about the government makes me madder on a daily basis than seat belt laws.


74 posted on 05/31/2006 10:18:35 AM PDT by conservative physics
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Way back in 1985 they were having one of these campaigns out in California (now I wear the belt, I just don't always 'get it clicked immediately).

So I come around this turn to enter Rt 280 going north at the Crystal Springs Rd entry, and there is highway patrol sitting there facing me in the median. As soon as I pass by him but before he can see movement in my mirror, I reach over with smooth motion and engage shoulder harness. Now I look in the rear view mirror, and the cop has his car light up like Dale Earnhardt doing a triple-donut burnout coming out after me, he gets up to 100 mph coming up on me. The cop comes right up on me then he shoots forward, then on each side etc, he is all over the place around me, but I am playing fat dumb and stupid going along.

The guy stayed on me all the way to Daly City. He let the macho ego take over and what he did was far more reckless than my neglect to engage that harness ever was. If it was not a cop I would have though he was trying to run me off the road, maybe he was.

Wolf
75 posted on 05/31/2006 10:18:40 AM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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"Each of us owns himself,"

What a radical notion. It'd never fly around here, though.


77 posted on 05/31/2006 10:19:47 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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Well we live on the tropical caribbean island of Anguilla, no seat belt law here and well we kind of gotten use to the freedom of being able to NOT use them if we so choose.
Anyway the misses was stateside the last few weeks and the last day in NJ she got a 'click it' ticket for not being belted in. She is happy to be back on island!


86 posted on 05/31/2006 10:22:21 AM PDT by JimFreedom (My patience is growing thin)
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