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Click it or ticket
townhall ^ | 5/24/06 | Walter WIlliams

Posted on 05/31/2006 9:42:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga

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To: Beelzebubba

-(you)


161 posted on 05/31/2006 10:50:54 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: dfwgator

"Feh, who needs laws in the first place, ANARCHY NOW!"

So...you're equating your inability to buckle your seatbelt on your own to me wanting anarchy? Geesh, you need a diaper.


162 posted on 05/31/2006 10:51:33 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: chrispycsuf
it keeps my car insurance down because my premiums go up every time a stupid person decides to drive down the road with out a seatbelt and hit another car and die. this has been around for about a year now in california

Ok then its been around for about a year in cali great. Are you paying less for auto insurance nowthen you were 1 year ago?

163 posted on 05/31/2006 10:51:46 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: from occupied ga

This is why I said that if it truly needs to be the law then by all means simply require cars to have occupants in seat belts in order they may operate.

That would remove the issues presented in opposition. Mostly it removes selective enforcment for revenues.


164 posted on 05/31/2006 10:52:30 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: from occupied ga
"As to your statement 'Lack of safety belt use is a growing public health issue that . . . also costs us all billions of dollars every year,' that's not a problem of liberty. It's a problem of socialism. No human should be coerced by the state to bear the medical expense, or any other expense, for his fellow man. In other words, the forcible use of one person to serve the purposes of another is morally offensive."

Only one thing wrong with this statement - we aren't talking about Socialism, we are talking about insurance (shared risk). If someone gets in a car accident and is NOT wearing a seat belt, statistics say that their medical costs are going to be much higher. This, of course is going to cause my insurance premium to be higher. I am being forced to pay for someone's idiocy. It has nothing to do with Socialism.

Now, if you are advocating doing away with insurance and everybody has to look out for themself, you are opening a whole new can of worms.

165 posted on 05/31/2006 10:52:32 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Kirkwood

"Who gave you the right to raise insurance rates both for automobile drivers and for healthcare costs?"

Ah, the old fascist solution to socialist problems. I fear for our "Republic" when conservatives support these solutions.....


166 posted on 05/31/2006 10:52:45 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: Protagoras

I agree. I'm just pointing out that singling out seatbelt usage is inconsistent.


167 posted on 05/31/2006 10:52:52 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: from occupied ga

Having a brother-in-law who is a police officer, I can tell you that this silly law is all about money period. Safety is an excuse - they could care a less whether you wear the stupid thing or not. They write the tickets for money and money only!!! He swears that if politicians have their way, we will all be wearing helmets next.


168 posted on 05/31/2006 10:52:56 AM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: from occupied ga

You see the "click it or ticket" all over the highways of Maryland. Nice to see abuse of governmental power.


169 posted on 05/31/2006 10:53:17 AM PDT by Vision (Sessions/Pence '08)
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To: Beelzebubba
And end the tax-free nature of employer-provided health insurance, which amounts to a further government subsidy slanted toward the most irresponsible

either that or make individual payments to health care costs tax deductable as well.

170 posted on 05/31/2006 10:53:18 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: chrispycsuf

That argument does not fly. Sorry. It can be used regarding seat belts, helmets, fast food,driving at all, etc.

You are completely missing the point. This is not about whether or not belts save lives. It is about the government forcing it and the hit individual freedom takes, and the collective impact that has on our culture and individuals perception of who they have and what control they have over their own destiny.

It has had a major impact on you, apparently.


171 posted on 05/31/2006 10:53:34 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: vin-one
Doesn't cali allow no helmets on motorcycles but you have to buckle up in your car....

Illinois does.
172 posted on 05/31/2006 10:54:03 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: Political Junkie Too
Maybe it's because every dead driver is a potential loss of $10,000/year in taxes paid to the government. They want to keep you alive to keep the revenue stream going. ;-)

True, but flip that argument around. Think how much money is saved at the tail end of life. The last few years of our lives typically cost 10s to hundreds of thousands. Consider how much money seat belt costs increase health care!

The fact is the gov't would like nothing more than for us to live to retirement age and die promptly before we start collecting. A quick death on the roadway should be a major boon. Sure they missed out on a few years tax payments but saved a boat load in health costs.

173 posted on 05/31/2006 10:55:01 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Vision
You see the "click it or ticket" all over the highways of Maryland. Nice to see abuse of governmental power.

Oddly enough I drove through Maryland this past weekend and although I was driving more in other staes I saw far more speed traps - seatbelt traps etc in MD than any other state.

174 posted on 05/31/2006 10:55:28 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: chrispycsuf

They've had this as a law in PA for a few years now I believe...and insurance premiums haven't budged.

Not wearing your seatbelt is the equivilant to riding a motorcycle without a helmet, the only difference in PA is that at the same time they made it law to have to wear you seatbelt they erased the law that you had to wear a helmet on a motorcycle.

Brilliant.


175 posted on 05/31/2006 10:55:39 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: Gerish
Having a brother-in-law who is a police officer, I can tell you that this silly law is all about money period. Safety is an excuse

Suspicions confirmed.

176 posted on 05/31/2006 10:56:36 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: dfwgator

"No sheriff, royal official, or other person shall take horses or carts for transport from any free man, without his consent."

Magna Carta, article 30

"No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land."

Magna Carta, article 39

"In future it shall be lawful for any man to leave and return to our kingdom unharmed and without fear, by land or water, preserving his allegiance to us, except in time of war, for some short period, for the common benefit of the realm."

Magna Carta, article 42


177 posted on 05/31/2006 10:56:41 AM PDT by djf (Bedtime story: Once upon a time, they snuck on the boat and threw the tea over. In a land far away..)
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To: RobRoy; All

I would like to ask if a child should be buckled in.

Violation of their rights to force them to be buckled in?

Government overstepping?


178 posted on 05/31/2006 10:57:04 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: chrispycsuf

"The dept of transportation is saving lives and i applaud them for it."

If the government is tasked with saving me from my own poor choices, then I am no longer an individual. Instead, I am owned by the state.


179 posted on 05/31/2006 10:57:33 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: All

I have discovered an onimous trend in traffic that should have every driver in this land greatly concerned. I was ticketed in a hispanic neighborhood I had to drive through to work. I always had to weave around the locals obstructing traffic in the left lane, amongst other moving violations. They were never stopped unless they were tearing aroung at super high speeds directly endangering people. Running an errand yesterday at lunch, I saw three major traffic light/lane violations by (guess whom) that would have resulted in serious wrecks had another vehicle present. Since these tickets are all about revenue anway, cops only stop those of us who are obvoulsly citizens who will pay up, not illegals that will disappear. It seems like these folks are driving like they know that now, too.


180 posted on 05/31/2006 10:57:42 AM PDT by FNG
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