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Click it or ticket
townhall ^ | 5/24/06 | Walter WIlliams

Posted on 05/31/2006 9:42:50 AM PDT by from occupied ga

Virginia's secretary of transportation sent out a letter announcing the state's annual "Click It or Ticket" campaign May 22 through June 4. I responded to the secretary of transportation with my own letter that in part reads:

"Mr. Secretary: This is an example of the disgusting abuse of state power. Each of us owns himself, and it follows that we should have the liberty to take risks with our own lives but not that of others. That means it's a legitimate use of state power to mandate that cars have working brakes because if my car has poorly functioning brakes, I risk the lives of others and I have no right to do so. If I don't wear a seatbelt I risk my own life, which is well within my rights. As to your statement 'Lack of safety belt use is a growing public health issue that . . . also costs us all billions of dollars every year,' that's not a problem of liberty. It's a problem of socialism. No human should be coerced by the state to bear the medical expense, or any other expense, for his fellow man. In other words, the forcible use of one person to serve the purposes of another is morally offensive."

My letter went on to tell the secretary that I personally wear a seatbelt each time I drive; it's a good idea. However, because something is a good idea doesn't necessarily make a case for state compulsion. The justifications used for "Click It or Ticket" easily provide the template and soften us up for other forms of government control over our lives.

For example, my weekly exercise routine consists of three days' weight training and three days' aerobic training. I think it's a good idea. Like seatbelt use, regular exercise extends lives and reduces health care costs. Here's my question to government officials and others who sanction the "Click It or Ticket" campaign: Should the government mandate daily exercise for the same reasons they cite to support mandatory seatbelt use, namely, that to do so would save lives and save billions of health care dollars?

If we accept the notion that government ought to protect us from ourselves, we're on a steep slippery slope. Obesity is a major contributor to hypertension, coronary disease and diabetes, and leads not only to many premature deaths but billions of dollars in health care costs. Should government enforce, depending on a person's height, sex and age, a daily 1,400 to 2,000-calorie intake limit? There's absolutely no dietary reason to add salt to our meals. High salt consumption can lead to high blood pressure, which can then lead to stroke, heart attack, osteoporosis and asthma. Should government outlaw adding salt to meals? While you might think that these government mandates would never happen, be advised that there are busybody groups currently pushing for government mandates on how much and what we can eat.

Government officials, if given power to control us, soon become zealots. Last year, Maryland state troopers were equipped with night vision goggles, similar to those used by our servicemen in Iraq, to catch night riders not wearing seatbelts. Maryland state troopers boasted that they bagged 44 drivers traveling unbuckled under the cover of darkness.

Philosopher John Stuart Mill, in his treatise "On Liberty," said it best:  "That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient warrant. He cannot rightfully be compelled to do or forbear because it will be better for him to do so, because it will make him happier, because, in the opinions of others, to do so would be wise, or even right. These are good reasons for remonstrating with him, or reasoning with him, or persuading him, or entreating him, but not for compelling him, or visiting him with any evil, in case he do otherwise."

Dr. Williams serves on the faculty of George Mason University in Fairfax, VA as John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: 4a; 4thamendment; clickitorticket; donutwatch; fourthamendment; governmentabuse; govwatch; libertarians; mdm; policeabuse; seatbelt; seatbelts; walterwilliams
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To: Mazda3Fan
I'm referring to adults of course, since children aren't able to make these decisions for themselves.

"Adults" being our rulers and "Children" being us.

That's what they think, anyway:

"It struck me as I was speaking to people in Bangor, Maine, that this president sees America as we think about a 10-year-old child," Card said. "I know as a parent I would sacrifice all for my children." -- Andrew Card interview in Boston Globe

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/26/6080/printer

101 posted on 05/31/2006 10:27:11 AM PDT by AlexandriaDuke (Conservatives want freedom. Republicans want power.)
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To: conservative physics
Nothing about the government makes me madder on a daily basis than seat belt laws.

And that's why Libertarians win so many elections, they focus on the things that really matter. (/sarcasm)

102 posted on 05/31/2006 10:27:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: from occupied ga
They come out of the woodwork on topics like this. I think they spend the rest of their time gushing at the day in the life of GWB thread.

Bwa ha ha! Thanks for the best laugh I've had all day (other than this awesome interview with Ted Nugent).

103 posted on 05/31/2006 10:27:32 AM PDT by thecabal ("Now die monkeys and stop saying Muslims are terrorists,we are peaceful people!")
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To: conservative physics

>>Nothing about the government makes me madder on a daily basis than seat belt laws.<<

I have a great idea for a new safety law and I even have a great slogan: Helmets, not just for motorcycles!


104 posted on 05/31/2006 10:27:51 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: canuck_conservative
That's a good pro-drug-use argument.

Nice try.

That's a good pro-drug-use anti "second prohibition" argument.

It's funny how these simple concepts can be applied to so many usurpations of God given rights.

105 posted on 05/31/2006 10:27:53 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: dfwgator

Wether or not they are legit depends on perspective imho.


When it comes to enforcement they are legit because it is the law. Law should be enforced equally and IMHO the best way to insure their use is to incorperate technology in the car that requires their use.

Seems that would solve the entire issue eh?


106 posted on 05/31/2006 10:28:20 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: Zeppo
zero-tolerance 55 mph speed limit with gps tracking

You're posting this somewhat in jest, but I'm firmly convinced that within 10 years this will be a requirement in all new cars - My only hope is that I'll be dead or old age before the American totalitarian police state reaches its full extent.

107 posted on 05/31/2006 10:28:39 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: chrispycsuf
Engines! From the flathead 'green diamond' 6 cylinder to the 454 V-8 (Hemis, too!). (Plenty of 'horses' in those engines!).

That took in the muscle car era, too, with those 'nasty' pedestrian-eating bumpers--which morphed at the safety folks' insistence into the ugly and characterless 5 MPH bumper--which, in turn, broke quite a few firemen's legs popping back out while they were cutting battery cables at accident scenes.

Oh, I almost forgot, the standard transmission (manual) was standard, too.

Jeeeeez, the list goes on, no cup holders, no CD player, (no CD's!), no lighted make-up mirror, no Onstar, no car alarm, no keyless locks, no remote starters....

the horror, the horror...

108 posted on 05/31/2006 10:28:57 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Beelzebubba
when government does not force individuals to bear the private costs of the bad decisions of others.

I guess you have a problem with the laws that force you to do that.

Instead, you bought into the authoritarian trap.

109 posted on 05/31/2006 10:29:42 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: from occupied ga

In PA they have been running a PSA about "Click it or Ticket". One of the lines in the ad is something like "Cops write tickets because they care." I practically laughed until I cried every time I heard it.


110 posted on 05/31/2006 10:30:21 AM PDT by marinamuffy (Capitalists of the World Unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: from occupied ga

Is a state that enforces its laws a police state?

What is the difference in your words?

In your eyes can the Rule of Law be enforced without you labeling the state a Police State? If so could you explain what you would accept as proper asto enforcement?


111 posted on 05/31/2006 10:31:04 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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To: dfwgator

You can go without wearing seat belts, if you also will agree to paying all of your medical bills out of your own pocket without causing everybody else's insurance rates to go up, should you get injured. And oh by the way, no death benefits for your survivors should you get killed, why should the rest of us pay for your stupidity?



That's fine, as long as you do not deny us the right to contract among ourselves, or with a private insurance comapany, to insure ourselves against risks among ourselves, presumably with discounts for those who agree not to be covered for harm that occurs when driving without a seatbelt, OK?

(And your post incorrectly implies that anyone is advicating not wearing seatbelts. Read the article AGAIN, if you are still confused. Liberty is not about not doing the right things, it is about not being FORCED to do the right thing.)


112 posted on 05/31/2006 10:31:08 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: cowtowney

Feh, who needs laws in the first place, ANARCHY NOW!


113 posted on 05/31/2006 10:31:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: RobRoy

just because you have survived doesnt mean that is always the case...my brother decided to go driving at night....was hit by another driver, was ejected out of the car and died...does that happen all the time, no...had he been wearing a seatbelt then he would have survived. it is not the govt's fault but they can enforce the laws on the books to lower such deaths that cost taxpayer money and the grief by the families and loved ones like me. so YOUR analogies are off....you are not the rule, but rather the exception


114 posted on 05/31/2006 10:31:48 AM PDT by chrispycsuf (our troops need our support now more than ever)
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To: Beelzebubba
That's fine, as long as you do not deny us the right to contract among ourselves, or with a private insurance comapany, to insure ourselves against risks among ourselves, presumably with discounts for those who agree not to be covered for harm that occurs when driving without a seatbelt, OK?

Works for me.

115 posted on 05/31/2006 10:32:38 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: chrispycsuf

you sound like such a libertarian



What kind of person considers it an insult to be accused of supporting liberty?


116 posted on 05/31/2006 10:32:41 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: dfwgator

right on...my point exactly...you just articulate it better


117 posted on 05/31/2006 10:33:35 AM PDT by chrispycsuf (our troops need our support now more than ever)
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To: dfwgator
You can go without wearing seat belts, if you also will agree to paying all of your medical bills out of your own pocket without causing everybody else's insurance rates to go up, should you get injured. And oh by the way, no death benefits for your survivors should you get killed, why should the rest of us pay for your stupidity? I think you libertarians should be ok with that, right?

YES!!! Let everyone pay for their own medical bills without government forcing medical care providers to provide their services to those who have spent their money on other things. Works for me - excellent idea.

118 posted on 05/31/2006 10:34:01 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Sir Gawain

You absolutely do have the right to "drive". The right to use the roads, the right of a person to go from place to place WITHOUT GOVERNMENT PERMISSION is an ancient right uder the common law of England.


119 posted on 05/31/2006 10:34:35 AM PDT by djf (Bedtime story: Once upon a time, they snuck on the boat and threw the tea over. In a land far away..)
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To: from occupied ga; All
I have about had enough with the Click it or Ticket commercials.

Everybody in Kansas knows unless you are speeding or committing some other crime, the cop can't do crap about you not wearing a seatbelt. It is only a secondary offense in Kansas.

I wear mine most of the time, but I have to say, to stick it to them with their lame commercials, I almost don't want to anymore. Their Click it or Ticket campaign probably will have the OPPOSITE impact....reduce seatbelt use.

120 posted on 05/31/2006 10:35:07 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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