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On a Marine Base, Disbelief Over Charges
New York Times ^ | May 29, 2006 | Carolyn Marshall

Posted on 05/30/2006 6:00:23 AM PDT by Peach

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif., May 29 — In this "company town" where everything and everyone caters to the well-being of the Marine Corps, there is no shortage of people, both military and civilian, who are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the troops accused of unjustified killings last November in Haditha, Iraq.

Relatives and neighbors gathered near the shrouded bodies of civilians said to have been killed by marines in Haditha, Iraq, in November.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/30/world/middleeast/30voices.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anamericansoldier; haditha; marines; murthawatch
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To: Coop

So then you are well aware that he talked about the need for honor, and for observing rules of engagement, what Marines do, and don't do. And if you missed that, you ain't no reader.


141 posted on 05/30/2006 8:10:45 AM PDT by LS
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To: tumblindice

Preparing is not pre-judging. Preparing is anticipating in case. There's a big difference.


142 posted on 05/30/2006 8:11:45 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS
By not preparing, you are allowing Murtha to be painted as "right" and "far seeing." Not too bright.

I've been arguing with coop about this point for 3 days now....all I can say is save your breath...

143 posted on 05/30/2006 8:12:37 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: Peach

A MA company showed that they wanted me more than TI did after 17 years... We "escaped from our 'MA exile'" shortly after 9/11. (See my FRProfile...)


144 posted on 05/30/2006 8:12:43 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Repeat San Jacinto!!! AND START IN AUSTIN!!!)
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To: r9etb
Nevertheless, I'm asking you a question: if it turns out that Marines really did commit an atrocity in this case, will you stand up like a man and condemn them?

Your question has already been answered by me on many Murtha threads. I don't like your implication.

145 posted on 05/30/2006 8:12:58 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: LS

Bravo Sierra.


146 posted on 05/30/2006 8:13:07 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: LS
Any attempt to inject any sort of caution about this story into a discussion on FR will be met with being labeled a Murtha-sympathizer, a sellout, a MSM shill, or having your own patriotism challenged.

I was told last night I was dishonoring the memory of a dead Vietnam vet by stating that three commanders had been relieved in the wake of the incident, and that no one is guilty of anything, no matter what the evidence shows.

You may as well save yourself some grief.

147 posted on 05/30/2006 8:13:17 AM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: LS

In other words, you want to make their every mission a suicide mission.


148 posted on 05/30/2006 8:13:20 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Dear US Senators, Reps. and Mr. President: Why are y'all abetting the destruction of our culture?)
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To: F.J. Mitchell
That is exactly what they want.

Yes it is.

I wonder what's next...issuing rubber bullets to our soldiers in Iraq so the terrorist and their supporters aren't hurt.

149 posted on 05/30/2006 8:13:34 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: LS
Then you know the code of honor quite well. Why don't you post it.

Right after you post that little thingy about a fair trial and that presumption of innocence doohickey.

150 posted on 05/30/2006 8:13:51 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: r9etb

Agreed, the chips need to fall where the truth actually is.

But the MSM and Murtha are not going public with these leaks to improve or keep the integrity of the Marine Corps. It's just the opposite, they are gleefully giving the islamo-fascists aid and comfort. So that even when the investigation shows there is far less culpability than was portrayed, the damage will have been done.


151 posted on 05/30/2006 8:14:01 AM PDT by pissant
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To: LS

In other words, no I did not serve in the U.S. Marine Corps.


152 posted on 05/30/2006 8:14:33 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: LS
Preparing is not pre-judging.

Of course it is. You have pre-judged my intentions over and over on this very thread. You don't have a flippin' clue.

153 posted on 05/30/2006 8:15:31 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: catroina54
taught to be killing machines ?
i find this a very strange comment and offensive to any Marine and their families.
killing machines ?

Have you ever spoken to a Marine fresh out of BootCamp?

I realize movies are primarily entertainment, but more than one Marine has confirmed that the 1st half of the movie FULL METAL JACKET...where they start with getting their head shaved until graduation...is SPOT ON as far as the emotional and physical abuse Marine recruits undergo.

I suggest you watch it before you start claiming you're "offended".

154 posted on 05/30/2006 8:15:37 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: TXnMA

Interesting profile. I noticed you wrote something about the OKC bombing; have you read Jayna Davis's book The Third Terrorist?


155 posted on 05/30/2006 8:16:40 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: ContemptofCourt
I've been arguing with coop about this point for 3 days now....all I can say is save your breath...

Forget to ping me, Counselor? Can't say that I blame you. Last thing you want is for me to call you on your Bravo Sierra again. You can't compete with facts.

156 posted on 05/30/2006 8:16:48 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: CedarDave

On a more basic level, it is about power and influence. I was really stunned to hear that a White House correspondant is paid $350,000/yr. that makes him very important, don't you know? The Sunday media people earn a lot more than the Presidents and Congressmen they comment on, so they must be more important.


157 posted on 05/30/2006 8:16:59 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: LS

Just itching to volunteer to serve on the firing squad, aren't you?


158 posted on 05/30/2006 8:17:36 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Dear US Senators, Reps. and Mr. President: Why are y'all abetting the destruction of our culture?)
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To: Coop
LOL. Coop, you are a broken record. Take the blinders off.

Nice to see that your style of "arguing" is the same with me as with others...alot of chest beating but that's about all.

159 posted on 05/30/2006 8:18:15 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: pbrown

I wonder if there is any place we could contribute to their defense? I gave to Pantano's via Michael Savage's. website.


160 posted on 05/30/2006 8:18:26 AM PDT by tertiary01 (Obsessive Compulsive Thread Nannyism. I hope I don't catch it.)
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