Posted on 05/28/2006 6:59:14 AM PDT by avacado
My subject title doesn't make sense, does it? How coud the U.N. be disarming Iraq from WMD while allowing them WMD at the same time. Is there a 4th dimension of space that I am not aware of?
Chemicals allowed for export to Iraq by other countries:
- Sodium Cyanide
- Hydrogen Cyanide
- Phosgene
Well golly, gee-whiz... those chemicals are WMD with a world history of being used as chemical weapons. The U.N. is a complete joke! They are looking for chemical weapons while allowing Saddam to purchase chemical weapons! Yeah, that's the ticket! Makes good sense to me!
U.N. (Oil-for-Food programme) Goods Review List: http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/S-2002-515.pdf
Actually the point is that the yields that you posted are very low and why give Saddam straight phosgene -- a known chemcial used as a chemical weapon? At least make him work for it.
But thanks for the post and the information. It was interesting information.
If it has low value as a munition, if other chemicals with the potential for weapons (such as hydrogen cyanide) are easier to produce, if it is a necessary component of the chemical and agricultural industries that existed in Iraq before the war, if it is easy to produce, and if it is a waste of your resources to trace the stuff through the economy because it is easier to detect and track munitions, then it is no big deal to let him buy the stuff and keep your focus where it belongs.
Given that point, which is quite valid, then why even bother with inspections when Saddam could have anything he wanted ready to "mix" on a moments notice. It seems the inspections were just a futile exercise of appeasement for the world.
On this we agree. David Kay insisted that Saddam was more dangerous after UNSCOM than before, simply because he had shifted his capabilities to commercial equipment that was rapidly convertable to weapons production, particularly as regards biological weapons. He was planning to ramp up as soon as the inspectors left and no longer needed large stocks of inventory.
Just in time bioterror.
Just in time bioterror. ---
That reminds of of Michael Dell of Dell Computers and his business model which has proven to be very successful. Dell was able to beat computer giants such as IBM and Compaq Computers by keeping very little inventory while the other computer manufacturers keep large inventories. This way Dell was never left with obsolete inventory and could move on new trends and technologies very quickly.
It also explains why every intelligence agency of the permanent members of the UNSC also said Saddam possessed WMD. Saddam had, and was continuing to purchase, all of the equipment and chemicals necessary for production. Take a look at the BND (German Intelligence) assessment of Saddam's weapons programs both in 1994 and again in 2001.
"Germany's leading role in arming Iraq"
Expurgated portions of Iraq's December 7 report to the UN Security Council show that German firms made up the bulk of suppliers for Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.
Contiued: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak02.html
JIT started with Toyota.
It also explains why every intelligence agency of the permanent members of the UNSC also said Saddam possessed WMD.
Precisely my point, which was about keeping your eyes on the output, because the dual use nature of the production system makes trying to control inputs an exercise in futility. I hope you now understand that I was in no way apologizing for either the UN or Saddam. It was strictly a matter of technical practicality.
Bioterror has a malevolent future. With Cuba willing to help anyone who wishes to attack the US, terrorists have all the technical capability they need. My ultimate fear is using FARC, the Bolivians, or some other communist drug gang to salt a series of pathogens into cocaine or heroin. Between coctail druggies and hookers, the dispersal would be very fast, nor would any amount of fear get the users to quit.
Get off his back
Any idiot that would have bothered to click the damn link he provided would have seen the date of the document.
Instead we have a bunch of lazy people busy being know it alls giving him a bunch crap cause he inadvertently made them feel stupid.
And then, , he had the nerve to defend himself...I've seen this crap all too often around here, you'd think you were trying to make this into DU or something
TO AVACADO...GOOD EYE. I agree, they should not have been allowed duel use chemicals (in hindsight). They should have been made to buy those products already prepared. If oyu ask me, the allowed the purchases so Saddam could covertly make WMD and still have an excuse ready-made and provided by Hans Blix and team should a US inspector object or question them.
I'm tired of you people and do not have time to interact with you insecure types or play your silly games.
Bugger off, troll, and next time you want to try to stir up trouble, pick a thread that's a little more current.
The rest of your comment is incoherent.
Just because you and your little friend are lacking any sense of humor due to your arrested development is no reason for you to take it out on people you don't even know.
I happen to be considered a very nice, easygoing person by people who know me. But I am also known for not taking any crap from some idiot who just wants to come on here and try to act tough.
You came on here and got nasty. You were not provoked. So don't go whining when you get what you asked for.
Now run along and leave me alone. I have loftier concerns in my life than dealing with little trolls who try in vain to nip at my heels.
What part of you attacking him don't you get?
If you call jumping his case "humor" you got a problem.
LOL...take off. And lay off the newbies...friggin bully.
We're supposed to be on the same side here, you wanna jump someone *&^%$ why don't you go find some libs? Get a clue.
Stop your whining and go do something productive.
You started this with an attack out of nowhere and then you call me a bully just because I'm not intimidated by your rudeness.
You're just a loser with a bone to pick. Go find one somewhere else. You've really become quite tiresome.
Stop crying because somebody is calling you on it.
Stop accusing me of what you are guilty of yourself.
If I'm so damn tiresome why do you keep answering?
Back off. NOW. And I mean it.
Have a nice day...;)
Re: U.N. "Disarming" Iraq from WMD while allowing them WMD??? From Allegra | 06/13/2006 1:54:03 AM EDT new Post to me again, loser and I'll hit the Abuse button. I don't know who you think you're talking to, but you need to learn to respect your intellectual superiors. You started this - posting to me on an old thread out of the blue with your nastiness. I've run into your kind before. I suspect you're one of these old farts who feels a sense of inadequacy about his life and wants to attack someone who actually HAS a life. Then when your childish tactics fail to intimidate your subject, you cry and whine and get even nastier like the maladjusted person you are. Find someone else, assclown. I'm sick of you losers trying to bring people down to your level. It won't work with me and you're wasting your time trying. Don't post to me again, creep. You disgust me.Hit the abuse button, I invite you. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself because I for one surely do not.
Stop pretending like you did not jump on the newbies case for an inadvertent headline and having the nerve to stick up for himself.
From reading over this thread I would suggest to you that you are describing yourself. Now be a MAN and either fess up to it and drop it. I wll tell you that I will not stand by and watch self-important FReepers bully newbies. In the end it really is your choice. Have a great day.
You did good work here. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks!
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