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Rush to Judgment Against Haditha Marines
NewsMax.com ^ | May 27, 2006 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 05/27/2006 9:57:27 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax

The press is already salivating over the prospect of the next Abu Ghraib-like public relations disaster for the U.S. in the war on terror - ballyhooing as yet unproven allegations that a group of U.S. Marines launched an "unprovoked" attack that killed 24 Iraqi civilians in town of Haditha on November 19, 2005.

But was the Marine response really "unprovoked" - as at least 40 press reports have claimed in recent days?

The Boston Globe reports that the confrontation was touched off when a roadside bomb struck a supply convoy of Kilo Company, Third Battalion, First Marine Regiment. The explosion killed Lance Corporal Miguel Terrazas, 20, of El Paso, who was on his second tour in Iraq.

"Everybody agrees that this was the triggering event," Paul Hackett, an attorney for a Marine officer with a slight connection to the case, told the paper.

If the roadside bomb was the "triggering event" for the developments that followed, however, then how can it be said that there was "no provocation"?

And while that provocation may not have been enough to justify the wanton murder of innocent Iraqis, it's far from clear at this point that all of those killed were indeed innocent. Or that any innocents who did die were killed in cold blood.

In an April report that pre-dates the uproar over the Haditha allegations, a Marine press release describes the Iraqi town as "a hotbed of insurgent activity less than a year ago." That would be about the time of the so-called Marine massacre.

Plainly, not all the residents of this terrorist hotbed were as innocent as Marine media critics are now claiming.

The Los Angeles Times reports that after smoke from IED cleared, the Marines quickly determined that it was "a type that would have required someone to detonate it."

Following standard procedure, the troops searched nearby houses, the closest of which was 50 yards away.

That's close enough for its occupants to have tracked the Marine convoy and timed the explosion.

It's also worth remembering that the press has so far reported only one side of the story.

All the witness accounts seem to come from residents of Haditha [that hotbed of insurgent activity] - who paint the Marines as modern day incarnations of Nazi storm troopers.

Alleged witness Aws Fahmi, for instance, told the Boston Globe: "I heard Younis speaking to the Americans, saying: `I am a friend. I am good,' But they killed him, and his wife and daughters."

According to the Los Angeles Times, the video that first raised questions about the how the Iraqis died was shot by Haditha residents themselves. Could it have been staged? We still don't know.

Then there's this intriguing tidbit, again from the Times, which notes that after the IED was detonated: "Marines and Iraqi forces searched houses and other structures in the narrow, dusty streets [of Haditha] - jets dropped 500-pound bombs."

Whoever ordered those airstrikes must not have believed the houses of Haditha were filled with Iraqi innocents who knew nothing about planting roadside bombs.

Despite the swirling questions, the press seems eager to jump to conclusions, taking its cue from Rep. John Murtha - who went public last week with charges that the Marines killed innocent Iraqis "in cold blood."

ABC News, for instance, reported Saturday morning that the military investigators had already determined that the killings were unjustified, and that several Marines would likely face murder charges. But instead of quoting anyone in uniform, the report offered a soundbyte from a Human Rights Watch spokesman.

It's also worth noting that House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, who got the same insider briefing given to Murtha, says the "in cold blood" allegations are all wet.

"I totally reject that," Hunter told the L.A. Times.

The California Republican has pledged to conclude his own investigation in June. In the meantime he worries about the press using Haditha to further their campaign against the military.

"I don't want the actions of one squad in one city on one morning to be used to symbolize or characterize or tar the actions of our great troops," Hunter told a Washington news conference last week.


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: haditha; iraq; marines
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To: freema
Imagine that, senior commanders were paying attention to events in Haditha.

Yes and the batallion commander and two of his company commanders have been relieved of their commands.

121 posted on 05/27/2006 7:03:38 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: photodawg
"The military can handle and discipline its own on the battlefield. We don't need investigations designed to look good for the liberal press and the rest of the world."

You got that right my friend. And your concept of the "sunshine patriot" is right on the money.

122 posted on 05/27/2006 7:08:29 PM PDT by trek
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To: Enchante

THANK YOU, people seem to forget the fighting that has gone on in this area. Weapons were, in fact, taken after an attack killing US Marines.


123 posted on 05/27/2006 7:10:09 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Dave S

ROTFLMAO!!


124 posted on 05/27/2006 7:20:32 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Dave S
"Just what do you think combat is?..."

" Fighting between combattants, not execution of unarmed women and children and an elderly amuptee in a wheel chair."

What planet have you been living on???? The fighting between the "combatants" ended in 2003! The only ones left fighting on the other side are those whose primary tactic is the "execution of unarmed women and children and ... elderly amuptee{s} in ... wheel chair{s}."

It is a terror war now. That is not to say that random slaughter is policy. But your naivete on the nature of the war in Iraq is truly frightening.

125 posted on 05/27/2006 7:21:41 PM PDT by trek
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To: Dave S

Ooops. Didn't see the post above yours, didya. Keep on working for the MSM and al Qaeda.


126 posted on 05/27/2006 7:21:56 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: nonliberal

The idea we don't use technology to misfire IEDs is wrong. The insurgent terrorists learn that we change our tech and they change the detonation device to avoid a premature expolosion.

This has been going on for quite a while. One day the series of changes will be told. But it's not going to happen anytime soon.


127 posted on 05/27/2006 7:36:47 PM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: Dave S
"You seem to think I want it to be true. I don't. But..."

Good! You caught my point. Now I can see you are so traumatized by Abu Garab and MeeLie (or however ya spell that Veitnam place) that you are just certain EVERYBODY is gonna give the Marines and their exceptional nation a black eye which is the self-fulfilling prophecy the propagandizing anti-war, anti-military, anti-USA MSM is hoping will materialize just by conclusion jumping syndrome!!!

These days it ain't "Loose Lips Sink Ships," it's cheap propopganda spooks superpowers! (of which there is STILL only one!)

Try to get a grip, will ya???

128 posted on 05/27/2006 9:04:15 PM PDT by SierraWasp (DEAL? OR NO DEAL? (2006)Arnold? Or NO Arnold? (2008)Gore? Or NO Gore??? NO DEAL!!! (open the case!))
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To: Dave S
Unless I missed something we still have something called due process. I doubt this story to be true; doesn't pass the smell test. How exactly was it determined that the civilians were in the kneeling position? Who made that determination? Don't you think if this happened they would have moved the bodies? Too many things don't add up.
129 posted on 05/27/2006 9:14:03 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: FairOpinion
The Marines have an unprecedented level of influence under President Bush. The first Marine to serve as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the Commander of SAC and Supreme allied Commander Europe. Not bad for a group of folks that President Carter wanted to do away with. Hope someone isn't trying to take us down a notch. Semper Fi
130 posted on 05/27/2006 9:23:16 PM PDT by gocats
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To: freema

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1300526

Check out our "patriotic" friends at DU...also there is a transcript from an interview on PBS about this incident that is "interesting"...blech


131 posted on 05/27/2006 9:35:48 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: freema

Or pissed....


132 posted on 05/27/2006 9:47:00 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Dave S
But you shouldn't spread rumors either.


133 posted on 05/27/2006 9:56:43 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: freema

cool


134 posted on 05/27/2006 9:57:18 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: nonliberal

Your "friend at NASA" should stick to rocket science. His demonstrated ignorance of remotely detonated explosive devices and the laws of electromagnetic radiation involved is breathtaking.


135 posted on 05/27/2006 9:59:42 PM PDT by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (The facts of life are conservative -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Carl/NewsMax
The Marines will be exonerated. The killing of innocents, if it occurred, was carried out by the enemy for the purpose of framing our men. Zarqawi is on record as saying the MSM is his best weapon, and he's right.
136 posted on 05/27/2006 10:04:45 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Minus_The_Bear
How exactly was it determined that the civilians were in the kneeling position?

We need that much in our mind's eye before seeing the movie, otherwise the movie will not work at all.

137 posted on 05/27/2006 10:09:35 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: gocats
"Hope someone isn't trying to take us down a notch."

There's no doubt but that the terrorists know that our guys are naturally in a state of controlled fury when they're doing a search after an IED. It would make for an easy set-up.

138 posted on 05/27/2006 10:30:07 PM PDT by Nova
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To: trek
It is a terror war now. That is not to say that random slaughter is policy. But your naivete on the nature of the war in Iraq is truly frightening.

You are free to speak for Al Qaeda but dont you dare call our brave troops terrorists, go to hell you asshole.

139 posted on 05/27/2006 11:04:47 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S
You are free to speak for Al Qaeda but dont you dare call our brave troops terrorists, go to hell you asshole

LOL. That might be the lamest rat twistage I've seen yet. Congratulations on your lamestry.

140 posted on 05/27/2006 11:12:39 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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