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Marines Could Face Murder Charges in Deaths of Iraqi Civilians in Haditha
Fox News ^ | May 26, 2006 | Fox News

Posted on 05/26/2006 6:03:36 PM PDT by stm

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To: stm

Did you read #76?


81 posted on 05/27/2006 7:51:55 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: stm
This was my response to a person last night who, in effect, stated that these marines were on the same level as the terrorists.

"I admit I was a bit "testy" last night. My point is that the terrorist mission, as we have seen repeatedly, is to kill in an indiscriminate fashion. That is not our mission.

Back in my day, we used to refer to hyper vigilance as the "pucker" factor. My son, who is home on R&R, refers to it as Battle Rhythm.

When the adrenaline is flowing heavily and then a brother is killed by an IED, rational thought can become subordinated to pure passion.

While I do not condone that which may have occurred, I can understand the emotions that come into play."

Now, if you wish to discuss PC bullshit, as you call it, we can go at it.

82 posted on 05/27/2006 8:01:53 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: SkyDancer
Good morning.
"... also, isn't it a bit odd that Murtha and the MSM would bring this out on Memorial Day weekend???"

I don't think it's odd at all. The Left uses their friends in the MSM to further their cause and they have no shame.

To much of America, Memorial Day weekend is nothing more than a chance to BBQ, drink beer and get a sunburn. To the Left, it's a cloak they can wrap themselves in when they try to fool us.

Michael Frazier
83 posted on 05/27/2006 8:07:37 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Patriot from Philly

"Press won't be able to play this one the way they did Abu Ghrabib"

Are you kidding? That was nothing compared to this. If the military report shows the worst, this is going to be terrible.

The Leftists and the Pan Arab fascists will be using this constantly and not to mention Osama and the Islamist extremists.

The media will be labeling all our armed forces "baby killers" within days.


84 posted on 05/27/2006 8:37:20 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: epow

Iran lies to the north of Israel too. The Russian bear may be an indirect ally of Iran in the latter's goal to destroy Israel with atomic weapons.

I'm not so sure that's not the scenario playing out.


85 posted on 05/27/2006 8:45:50 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: epow

Agreed.


86 posted on 05/27/2006 8:50:15 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Rome2000
.....especially against subhumans.

Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot

"Subhumans".

Then what the what are we doing there?

87 posted on 05/27/2006 9:09:09 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: BlackVeil

The only people that 'allowed' (or practically cheered) Terrie's death was the rabid leftists. Most of the conservative Christians were sick about it. I should know, cause I was sick the whole month of April due to the anger I suffered over that incident. And I felt just as helpless as Terri's family no doubt felt. Godless leftists will be punished by God for their part and their 'let Terri die' sentiments. NOT those of us that were literally sickened by the sight of our judicial system gone mad.



"I will probably get flamed for saying this but ... I feel that Americans were very reckless to allow the brutal death of Terri Schiavo. I do declare, I would rather be shot in the head by a crazed Marine than die like she did.

On a different forum, I said that I feared for the future of the US, after the way she was treated. One poster replied - "Oh yes. God will punish us for allowing her murder."


88 posted on 05/27/2006 9:39:37 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: brazzaville

I refuse to shop anywhere that offers up Memorial Day sales ... one sign at a strip mall absolutly infuriated me. It said "Have A Happy Memorial Day" ....

In Australia, ANZAC Day is a real memorial to their service people ... no special sales, nothing ... the whole country closes down ....

Regards,
Jane Cummings


89 posted on 05/27/2006 10:38:46 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("The Americans on Flight 93 did more to counter terrorism than the Democrats have done in 4 years")
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To: verity

Yes I did and I am very disappointed in the lack of warrior spirt at the Corps and BDE level. We are in a shooting war. F*** politics. F*** political correctness. Take off your damn class A's and get into some DCU's and grab a weapon and a shit load of ammo. When the bullets fly, the only things that matter are the guy on either side of you and completing the mission. PERIOD. And that comes from experience with more firefights under my belt than I have hairs on my ass. And I have a pretty hairy ass.


90 posted on 05/27/2006 10:50:26 AM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: spunkets
"The Marine's involved filed false field reports regarding the injuries sustained to many of these civilians. This matter will be handled under the UCMJ."

From the facts as I understand them, it does appear that some punishment is necessary. I'm just saying that significant mitigating factors from the inherent combat stresses are obvious to me.

91 posted on 05/27/2006 1:20:26 PM PDT by Nova
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To: stm
A hairy ass is still an ass.

Your macho attitude and bitterness towards authority renders you rather suspect in my book. You are not demonstrating the traits of a professional NCO.

92 posted on 05/27/2006 1:28:58 PM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: brazzaville
Hi, Mike:

Guys like Murtha and Kerry have sold their souls to the political devil.

Have you read Bill Sammon's "Strategery"? It is a brilliant condemnation of the Left and the MSM toadies.

93 posted on 05/27/2006 1:36:38 PM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: verity
Good afternoon.
"Have you read Bill Sammon's "Strategery"?"

I haven't, but I will. When the new house is completed next month I plan to settle down on my new balcony for the summer, get brown and whittle down the reading list.

Thanks,

Michael Frazier
94 posted on 05/27/2006 2:22:24 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
Now that sounds like a good plan.

Enjoy.

95 posted on 05/27/2006 2:24:37 PM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: Polybius

Oh, brother.......get over yourself.


96 posted on 05/27/2006 9:40:20 PM PDT by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: MamaLucci; sinkspur
Oh, brother.......get over yourself.

So, MamaLucci, in Post 45 you flat out imply that an American pilot in Kosovo should have been tried for a war crime and, when you are challenged with the specific facts of that particular case in Post 80, all you have to say for your sorry self is:

"Oh, brother.......get over yourself."

If you are going to slander our servicemen with cheap shots, MamaLucci, either be prepared to back up your accusations with facts or be prepared to have your slander shoved right back down your ignorant throat.

97 posted on 05/27/2006 10:01:17 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
"When the missile was fired, the bridge was empty of any traffic and no train was visible to the pilot."

I see, so that's what that pic was about. Thanks.

98 posted on 05/27/2006 11:52:54 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: verity

My "macho attitude" has gotten two platoons of soldiers under my command back home in one piece, with a few PH's along the way (two of which were mine). And we accomplished every mission we were tasked with. Just who the hell are you to quesion my professionalism and dedication to duty and my soldiers. And as for my disdain for "authority" that goes to the Corps and BDE Level, not BN, CO and PLT level. If I did not question questional policies that place the soldiers under my supervision at unusual risk what kind of NCO would I be?

And btw, how many wars have you served in? I leave in one week for my THIRD.


99 posted on 05/28/2006 12:29:11 AM PDT by stm (Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence)
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To: stm
You could be tactically competent on an individual level; however, your attitude with the leadership could still create a problem in terms of unit cohesion.

But, then again, if you were this vocal about it in a real world situation, some First Sergeant would leave a size 12 boot print on your "Hairy" ass.

If you are indeed going into harm's way, be safe and return to your family in one piece. However,if you are playing some fantasy tough guy role, a pox on you.

100 posted on 05/28/2006 5:38:55 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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