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To: Defiant
The anti-Bush screed out there is really amazing....

He had a good month overall and even the republicans cannot see straight. They will ignore the approval of a judge and a new CIA director, they will ignore good economic news, progress in Iraq and the fruits of a good staff shake up to continue to gripe about immigration.

The horse is out of the barn folks. You will not see whole scale deportations of people. The public won't go for it, the media will sink it and if conservatives want to abandon him now then be prepared to accept what the democraps are offering which is going to be worse. I am not pleased to find us in this situation but the repubs are going to have to find something to compromise on which is the ugly truth about politics.

Otherwise expect Congressional investigations up the ass, blatant interference in judicial business and impeachment hearings come January 25th next year.
23 posted on 05/26/2006 6:25:47 PM PDT by misterrob
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To: misterrob
Opposing viewpoints are now "screeds"? You are using words and characterizations the way a Reuters article would.

I'll support House conservatives and those few conservatives who are in the Senate, and try to find strategies for gaining a conservative majority in Congress and to put a conservative in the Executive. Sometimes that will necessitate working with non-conservative GOP party members on issues we agree on, such as taxes and judges and the WOT. Otherwise, we need to open our eyes to what is going on and figure out how to deal with it before we are swamped by an influx of voters that puts us back into the minority for good.

What we have in reality is America circa 1856. We had Whigs and Democrats and this new group called Republicans that is in the mix. The Whigs are in the middle, the moderates of their time. The Republicans, like Conservatives today, didn't want moderation on things on which there should not be compromise. They wanted an end to slavery. Within a few years, there was no whig party.

That same old GOP that replaced the whigs is now in danger of going the way of the whigs, by trying to be "dem-lite".

About your loose horse: If we can't enact policies to get 12 million invaders to remove themselves from our soil, then we do not deserve to survive another generation. That is a ridiculous claim that is made by the all-knowing elites, "well, we can't just deport 12 million people". BS. We can, we just don't want to, because Kofi Annan would say mean things about us. Besides, we don't have to deport most of them, we just need to take away their jobs and their benefits.

Those with no historical frame of reference fail to recall that it was only in recent decades that the US courts decreed that we have to give schooling and welfare and medical care to illegal aliens. Nowhere in the REAL constitution do we have to do these things, and a re-examination of the 9th Circus and other precedents on this issue may be called for. Get rid of all the magnets that allow Mexicans to bring whole families over the border and that will reduce the 12 million before we even have to start taking their jobs and deporting them.

You are right that we may not see mass deportations, but it is not because we lack the ability, only the will.

You have not seen in any of my posts that I suggested that we should vote for Dems or independents in place of Republicans. We do need a strategy for success, and that may at some point cause a divergence with Republican party goals. We shall see. In any event, there is nothing wrong with anger and disgust with Republicans who have allowed an immigration bill that effectively destroys the demographic composition of this nation.

41 posted on 05/26/2006 6:50:06 PM PDT by Defiant (I was willing to fight to the death for George W. Bush, but not to America's death.)
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To: misterrob

" to continue to gripe about immigration."

Gack!

The WORST. BILL. EVER. ... just passed yesterday.

This is the legislative equivalent of Katrina and 9/11 rolled into one ... and you call it "griping" to point that out?

Please, sir, get a grip *and* a clue. The country is vastly *under-*reacting to the danger this awful and dangerous CIRA bill poses to the country. 60 million new immigrants in 20 years, illegal immigrants awarded not just amnesty, but citizen and the goodies of soc security benefit for constributions under fraudulent soc sec numbers; amnesty for their employers too.

"The horse is out of the barn folks. You will not see whole scale deportations of people."

Nobody is asking for that ... we are simply asking to pass HR4437 *NOW* and wait for the rest later.


"I am not pleased to find us in this situation but the repubs are going to have to find something to compromise on which is the ugly truth about politics."

Ah, yes, the JELLYFISH theory of Republicanism... we have to pass a Kennedy-and-liberal-special-interest-written bill, because we dont have the spine to stand up to the liberals. The Senate CIRA bill is no 'compromise', it is an extremist open-borders nightmare.
pathetic. pathetic. pathetic.


57 posted on 05/26/2006 7:35:13 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: misterrob
Whose talking about mass deportations??? Cut the false choices please. We do not have to offer citizenship, Social Security, earned income tax credits, only paying back taxes for 3 out of 5 years of their choice, agricultural worker protection, David/Bacon wages, in state college tuition rates, whole extended families coming, etc., etc. . . .

I did not care one hoot about immigration and actually supported "guest workers" until the last few weeks when I heard the details of McCain/Kennedy thanks to the Internet and people like Jeff Sessions. Pay attention to the details. If the American people pay attention they will never support the Senate bill.

You sound a lot like my Senator. Hey Lindsey, is that you?

58 posted on 05/26/2006 7:36:42 PM PDT by SoCar (Get rid of Goober Graham!)
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To: misterrob
The horse is out of the barn folks. You will not see whole scale deportations of people. The public won't go for it, the media will sink it and if conservatives want to abandon him now then be prepared to accept what the democraps are offering which is going to be worse.

Thank you! A voice of reason.

71 posted on 05/26/2006 8:56:00 PM PDT by Jorge
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