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Guard will be armed on border[and have the inherent right of self-protection]
San Antonio Express-News ^ | 05/26/2006 | Sig Christenson and Hernan Rozemberg

Posted on 05/26/2006 11:23:43 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch

The National Guard's chief said Thursday that some of his troops will work close to the Mexican border and will be armed — with rules of engagement allowing them to fire their weapons.

"Any soldier assigned to a mission where he would be placed in harm or danger, where his life would be threatened potentially, will in fact be armed and will have the inherent right of self-protection," Lt. Gen. H. Steven Blum said.

The rules will be part of a larger memorandum of understanding that will guide the assignment of Guard members to the border. The agreement could be wrapped up today and sent to the border governors for their signatures.

Federal funding and troops could begin moving to states on the Mexican border next week once the Guard and Defense Department approve the document.

Blum added that the rules of engagement "will be the same in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas."

The comments, in a lengthy interview with the San Antonio Express-News, came as rules for the use of force were being ironed out at a meeting in Phoenix among representatives from four border-state governors and the National Guard.

The Texas National Guard's commander, Army Maj. Gen. Charles G. Rodriguez, said the talks on rules of engagement centered on "harmonization" between the states' different laws on self-defense.

Blum said he doesn't believe the Mexican government will react negatively to the presence of small bands of armed Guard members. Mexicans, he said, see the Guard "in a far more positive light than they would active-duty troops."

That, Blum said, is in part because of relationships established over decades with the Guard — which has helped support counter-narcotics missions — and the temporary nature of the arrangement.

The Guard is to stay on the border for two years as the Border Patrol and U.S. Customs boost their ranks.

All the troops along the Texas border initially will come from the Lone Star State, and be volunteers, said Col. Bill Meehan, spokesman for the Camp Mabry-based guard.

Rodriguez said several hundred soldiers could staff each of Texas' five border sectors, but predicted only a trickle of troops would go south in the early weeks of operations. They would be planners and liaison officers working with their Border Patrol counterparts in each sector, Rodriguez said.

Troops at vehicle inspection stops and engineers working along the border also could be armed. Weapons would vary, with soldiers carrying the M-16, variations of the rifle, 9-mm handguns and even shotguns.

"But we're not going to be carrying machine guns. We're not going to be carrying heavy weapons. We're not at war here," Blum said, explaining he wants troops "to be in a position to protect themselves."

News that the Guard would have surveillance assignments in close proximity to Mexico came as a surprise to the Border Patrol, the agency tasked with halting illegal border crossings.

Agency spokesman Todd Fraser said troops would work in support roles ranging from repairing and maintaining Border Patrol jeeps and manning surveillance cameras from remote locations to giving agents advanced firearms training.

Some troop assignments are being tweaked, he said, and soldiers' precise jobs and locations remain to be hashed out between top Border Patrol administrators and their Guard counterparts. But, Fraser said, "As far as I know, a National Guard unit deployed along the border, right on the line, that's not a scenario I had heard about."

Troops assigned to entry identification teams, as well as engineers, will be armed and won't have to wait for someone to shoot at them first — an engagement rule he termed "silly."

"If he has to fire, he has a right to fire," Blum said. "There are judgment calls that have to be made by mature, disciplined soldiers, and I'm confident that these soldiers have the discipline, the training, and the experience and judgment to make the proper call or we wouldn't be employing them in this mission."

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sigc@express-news.net


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; armedguard; bp; bush; congress; guard; mexico; nationalguard; selfdefense; shootfirst
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"If he has to fire, he has a right to fire," Blum said.
1 posted on 05/26/2006 11:23:47 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch

I said Grazing Fire...!


2 posted on 05/26/2006 11:24:50 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


3 posted on 05/26/2006 11:25:20 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: SwinneySwitch

"SOME" of them will be armed. SOME. Not all, but some. Has he run this by W yet?


4 posted on 05/26/2006 11:25:55 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: mtbopfuyn

The real question is..... has anyone run this by Vicente Fox yet, it appears he is the new President of The United States of Mexico.


5 posted on 05/26/2006 11:27:28 AM PDT by sheana
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To: SwinneySwitch
These Guardsmen are good people -- Americans like their National Guard, just like the rest of their military.

But this deployment smells like a pure publicity stunt.

6 posted on 05/26/2006 11:29:53 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: SwinneySwitch

I wonder if someone has developed the stones to stand up to the reported Mexican soldier/thugs intruding into our territory. Perhaps this is a response to these violations of our border, deploy them up front in the trouble areas, as BP backup elsewhere.


7 posted on 05/26/2006 11:30:48 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate our country.)
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To: LongElegantLegs; radar101; RamingtonStall; engrpat; HamiltonFan; Draco; TexasCajun; ...

Border Ping!


8 posted on 05/26/2006 11:31:36 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Terroristas-beyond your expectations!)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Has he run this by W yet?

Bet you a $100 bucks this ain't gonna fly.


9 posted on 05/26/2006 11:32:31 AM PDT by Lowell (The voice from beyond the far right edge!)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Having lived the past few years on the border I would not want to be down there with out personal protection.

If this Guard thing is done to please the politically correct it will come off as being nothing more than a Cluster Fuc!.

With out protection this would also further drive a wedge between the Hate American First, No Guns crowd of a few Democrats and those who love and want a safe America.

I have noticed that many Hispanics and blacks are speaking out against this S2611 Amnesty bill.
10 posted on 05/26/2006 11:34:49 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

"But we're not going to be carrying machine guns. We're not going to be carrying heavy weapons. We're not at war here,"

But that means they'll be nearby in case you need them, I hope. Especially for those drug runners that do have machine guns and heavy weapons.


11 posted on 05/26/2006 11:35:08 AM PDT by AliVeritas ("Quod Deus vult" (Urban II))
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To: SwinneySwitch

An inherent right does not have to be granted.......


12 posted on 05/26/2006 11:35:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: conservativewasp; 68skylark

Any Guard assigned to South Texas will be be practically bumping into illegals! You don't have to be on the border!


13 posted on 05/26/2006 11:38:51 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Terroristas-beyond your expectations!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

The Mexicans will be shooting across the border with .308's and our guys will be popping back with 9mm's. Sounds like a typical fair Mexican deal to me.


14 posted on 05/26/2006 11:43:42 AM PDT by Concho
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To: SwinneySwitch
The Senate gave America away yesterday. What good are border troops going to do when the borders will remain open anyway and the invasion will continue, and in fact increase?

The traitors gave our country away yesterday with the full agreement of the President of the United States. I never thought I would live to see this. May they all rot.

15 posted on 05/26/2006 11:43:56 AM PDT by janetgreen (BUSH FIDDLES WHILE AMERICA IS INVADED!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

"soldiers carrying the M-16, variations of the rifle, 9-mm handguns and even shotguns.

"But we're not going to be carrying machine guns. We're not going to be carrying heavy weapons. We're not at war here," Blum said, explaining he wants troops "to be in a position to protect themselves."

News for you Mr. Blum, the M-16 IS a machine-gun!
And likely to be needed too.


16 posted on 05/26/2006 11:45:04 AM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: sheana
Uh, he *is* the outgoing President of Los Estados Unidos de Mexico, which is translated as either the United States of Mexico, or less frequently, The United Mexican States.
17 posted on 05/26/2006 11:45:50 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: SwinneySwitch

I guess Tony Snow has been reading FR. LOL


18 posted on 05/26/2006 11:46:51 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Richard-SIA

This thing hasnt passed the House yet as I under stand it, there is still hope that you all can contact your representatives to overhaul it before they vote on it.


19 posted on 05/26/2006 11:47:02 AM PDT by Concho
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To: Richard-SIA
We're not at war here," Blum said, explaining he wants troops

Wanna bet? Tell that to the marchers who think they own the Western half of the U.S.

20 posted on 05/26/2006 11:47:44 AM PDT by madison10
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