[neverdem]

Violence Against Women Act abuses the rights of men

[kinghorse]

This isn't fair! Wome should only fight other women. The males role should be to standby and make sure the women don't start kissing during the fight. He would be required to break that up.

[gusopol3]

why is this surprising (to them, no offense to you); this has been known and documented for 20 years or more.

[neverdem]

This appears to be the paper in pdf format, 32 pages.

Paper presented at conference on Trends In Intimate Violence Intervention, sponsored by the
University of Haifa and New York University. New York University, May 23, 2006.

DOMINANCE AND SYMMETRY IN PARTNER VIOLENCE
BY MALE AND FEMALE UNIVERSITY STUDENTS
IN 32 NATIONS¹

Murray A. Straus
Family Research Laboratory, University of New Hampshire
Durham, NH 03824 603-862-2594 murray.straus@unh.edu
Website: http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2

[Tzimisce]

Feminists only believe in "good" equality. If there are "bad" numbers then it's sexist.

[Restorer]

But Gentile said men usually become violent as a way of controlling women, while women who are violent often become so to prevent the man from attacking first.

This conclusion is based on ...

BTW, this research exactly mirrors the conclusions of Erin Pizzey, who started the first battered women's shelters in London decades ago. She was a major feminist heroine until she published her observations that the majority of violence in relationships was started by the woman (although usually finished by the man.)

She immediately became one of the most hated women in the world.

See http://www.fathersforlife.org/pizzey/planned_destruction_of_family.htm.

[dirtboy]

"If you have two people in a relationship and the guy is 6-foot-2 and weighs 230 pounds and the woman is 5-foot-4 and weighs 130 pounds, just because they're both hitting each other doesn't mean it's equally violent. Her hitting him may be seen as a joke to him and his hitting her may terrorize her," Brandwein said.

Oh, that's special. She can initiate the violence and it's just a big joke.

[DoughtyOne]

I have noticed that it is acceptable, reasoned, funny and justified when movies show women pinching, hitting, kicking or otherwise hurting men. If the privates or family jewels come into play, it's even better.

I think it's a big mistake to portray this type of activity as acceptable.

[dljordan]

"So when she gets angry at him and slaps him, kicks him, throws something, most men don't retaliate. "

Wrong! I worked as a bouncer in a nightclub after I got out of the Navy and I learned really quickly how vicious women can be. I've been attacked more than once by weapon wielding, foaming at the mouth women that just couldn't believe someone would tell them "NO!". Then they couldn't believe someone knocked them on their butt and the cops were hauling them to the squad car.

[GunnyHartman]

Smack him again Helga!

[HairOfTheDog]

"The idea of chivalry is alive. Men genuinely believe 'never hit a woman' - up to a certain point. So when she gets angry at him and slaps him, kicks him, throws something, most men don't retaliate. But if she keeps on doing that, then it moves into the both doing it," Straus said.

This is the downside whenever one side of a relationship feels a certain invincibility or immunity from retaliation, and the chivalry that tells a man to never hit back can only be pushed so far. Women should never feel they have the relative freedom to push all a man's hot buttons without fear of pushback. It's dangerous to mess with anyone's limits that way, particularly when ruthlessly tugging on their heartstrings.

I hate to say this, because real abuse of women does exist, and I know some of the typical victims, small, mousy women who can be fully bullied and controlled by a stronger man... but speaking from a social services background, there is a HUGE proportion of women who claim to be victims of domestic abuse who, if I had to live with them, I'd want to deck them myself. And a good friend of mine is one of those. She can, and has, pushed people to their absolute limit on what they can take from her.

[dakine]

You know what they say about a good beatin'....

[Chena]

bump for later :)

[HamiltonJay]

I dated a psycho in my younger days... I swear to this day she cracked my rib when she decided to go violent on me. I have never hit a woman... and would expect to be slapped if I acted the way I see some guys treating women....

With all that being said however, there is no doubt there are many women out there who take advantage that men generally won't hit back and resort to physicallity for the slightest excuse.