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Just when you think Arlen Specter can't stoop any lower...
Sean Hannity Radio Show / Lou Dobbs Tonight (CNN) | 5-25-06 | no dems

Posted on 05/25/2006 3:44:46 PM PDT by no dems

I heard this on Sean Hannity's Fox Radio broadcast a short while ago and just now on "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on CNN:

Arlen Specter, according to Congressman John Kyl of Arizona, slipped a provision into the Immigration Bill the Senate passed today requiring the U.S. to consult with Mexico BEFORE building a wall in any area along the border.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; amnesty; borderfence; borders; idiot; mexico; rino; s2611; sellout; snake; specter; traitor; wall
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To: no dems

In total truth this IS Bush's fault.


61 posted on 05/25/2006 6:41:23 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: no dems

Well, thank goodness W rescued the Sphincter from possible defeat in the primary by a real conservative, Toomey. Otherwise, PA might have elected someone who doesn't think we have to ask permission to guard our own border. This is the most disgusting thing in a whole list of disgusting things in this bill. Everyone must call Hastert and tell him to appoint strong border defenders to the conference committee. NO RINOs!


62 posted on 05/25/2006 6:47:08 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: no dems

Scottish Law and Magic Bullets, he has a lot to atone for.


63 posted on 05/25/2006 7:01:58 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: hipaatwo
(b) CONSULTATION REQUIREMENT.--Consultations between United States and Mexican authorities at the federal, state, and local levels concerning the construction of additional fencing and related border security structures along the United States-Mexico border shall be undertaken prior to commencing any new construction, in order to solicit the views of affected communities, lessen tensions and foster greater understanding and stronger cooperation on this and other important issues of mutual concern.

The government could just ignore this provision like they ignored the enforcement provision of the last Immigration Reform from 20 years ago.

64 posted on 05/25/2006 7:06:10 PM PDT by SMM48
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To: Seadog Bytes


65 posted on 05/25/2006 7:08:05 PM PDT by FOG724 (A vote for Arnold is a vote for a Democrat)
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To: no dems
Arlen Specter, according to Congressman John Kyl of Arizona,
slipped a provision into the Immigration Bill the Senate passed today requiring the U.S. to consult with Mexico BEFORE building a wall in any area along the border.


& who voted for it anyway...
66 posted on 05/25/2006 7:10:51 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: mmyers

Why should he start now?


67 posted on 05/25/2006 7:17:01 PM PDT by Whispering Smith
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To: the_Watchman

On the contrary, "consult" implies input and discussion, especially in a governmental setting. This is an opportunity for the Mexican governments at all levels to tie any progress on a fence up for years in court, claiming they were insufficiently consulted prior to building it. "Consult" gives them an implied right to review blueprints, construction plans, and raise objections at every point in the pathway.

No doubt there will be a string of lawsuits spawned by this measure, endless delays, and the result will be a fence 3 inches high with waterfountains and rest stations at no less than quarter mile intervals.


68 posted on 05/25/2006 7:20:46 PM PDT by Da Mav
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To: the_Watchman

Mirriam Webster is not source that will be used to determine the meaning of the words in this measure. Mandatory consultation does not require permission but it does require a defined process of input, advice, feedback, discussion etc etc which can take years to complete. It opens any efforts to construct a fence to charges of inadequate consultation with years of litigation likely.

To make matters worse, the bill defines the purpose of the consultation as being:

"...solicit the views of affected communities, lessen tensions and foster greater understanding and stronger cooperation"

Any methodology which does not completely fulfill the above explicit purposes can be the grounds for further court imposed delay. For example some group in Mexico can come forward at the last minute and claim their views were not solicited and take it to court. Strong protests by a group of Mexicans might be used to claim that the consultation to date was insufficient to 'lessen tensions' hence more consultation was necessary. Etc etc etc.

Some of these arguments would no doubt be raised to block building a fence anyway. But the fact that they are spelled out in the measure itself makes such obstructive efforts far more likely to gain the sympathy of the courts.

I'm not a lawyer, but I have worked with plenty of govt programs and contracts, and believe me nobody hauls out a dictionary to interpret the law in these kinds of cases. We could only wish that were true.

Of course I agree with the idea of better judges, but that begs the question and does not address the problem.


69 posted on 05/25/2006 7:34:13 PM PDT by Da Mav
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To: SittinYonder
Arlen Specter, according to Congressman John Kyl of Arizona, slipped a provision into the Immigration Bill the Senate passed today requiring the U.S. to consult with Mexico BEFORE building a wall in any area along the border.
70 posted on 05/25/2006 7:35:57 PM PDT by eyespysomething (Hellen Keller's favorite color is Chuck Norris.)
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To: no dems

Everything you said is true and I ain't got my tongue in my cheek. :)


71 posted on 05/25/2006 7:39:00 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: FOG724

72 posted on 05/26/2006 1:17:13 AM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: newconhere
I'm not sure if the amendment is Specter's, which is your point, but it is in there. Here is the last paragraph of today's Washington Times article.

Immediately before the final vote yesterday, conservatives suffered what they viewed as one final insult. Buried in a 125-page last-minute amendment was a requirement that local, state and federal officials in the U.S. consult with their Mexican counterparts before they can start building the fence.

73 posted on 05/26/2006 1:38:24 AM PDT by rvoitier ("News is what's suppressed. Everything else is advertising.")
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To: rvoitier
Immediately before the final vote yesterday, conservatives suffered what they viewed as one final insult.

imo should say:
Immediately before the final vote yesterday, conservatives Americans suffered what they viewed as one final insult.
74 posted on 05/26/2006 4:26:25 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: soccer_maniac

Not if we do our jobs. They only are two votes..we may have a few more. Christopher Sheys has figured that out.


75 posted on 05/26/2006 5:56:22 AM PDT by Les_Miserables
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To: llevrok

The man who wants to run for prez LOL


76 posted on 05/26/2006 6:00:18 AM PDT by LadyBuzz
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To: no dems

Thank you President Bush and Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) for campaigning so hard for Specter in the '04 GOP primary in PA



Well, Spector is a RINO. Near as I can tell President Bush never met one he didn't like. Santorum? He was trying to do right by the party. It's disgusting. It's filthy. It's politics.


77 posted on 05/26/2006 8:14:31 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: ken5050

whatever happened to Arlen's beloved "separation of powers?'..imagine...the Congress telling the Executive what to do..



You think the current executive has a problem with the Senate bill?


78 posted on 05/26/2006 8:15:39 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: soccer_maniac

It will when Rove and Bush apply appropriate pressure



They've been trying. It's not going well for them.


79 posted on 05/26/2006 8:16:47 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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To: the_Watchman

Folks, this is not so bad. It depends on how the administration interprets the word "consults". I would have expected any administration to consult with Mexico before building significant sections of wall. It is part of being a good neighbor, whether they are or not.

Remember that "consult" does NOT mean "ask for permission".



We ARE talking about the CURRENT administration and it's "Leave no Mexican behind" mindset.


80 posted on 05/26/2006 8:19:30 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (When Ted Kennedy and HRC support you Mr. President, it's time for some soul searching)
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