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Scientists Predict How To Detect A Fourth Dimension Of Space
Science Daily ^ | May 25, 2006 | Unattributed (Duke University)

Posted on 05/25/2006 1:35:30 PM PDT by Ben Mugged

Scientists at Duke and Rutgers universities have developed a mathematical framework they say will enable astronomers to test a new five-dimensional theory of gravity that competes with Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.

Charles R. Keeton of Rutgers and Arlie O. Petters of Duke base their work on a recent theory called the type II Randall-Sundrum braneworld gravity model. The theory holds that the visible universe is a membrane (hence "braneworld") embedded within a larger universe, much like a strand of filmy seaweed floating in the ocean. The "braneworld universe" has five dimensions -- four spatial dimensions plus time -- compared with the four dimensions -- three spatial, plus time -- laid out in the General Theory of Relativity.

The framework Keeton and Petters developed predicts certain cosmological effects that, if observed, should help scientists validate the braneworld theory. The observations, they said, should be possible with satellites scheduled to launch in the next few years.

If the braneworld theory proves to be true, "this would upset the applecart," Petters said. "It would confirm that there is a fourth dimension to space, which would create a philosophical shift in our understanding of the natural world."

~snip~ "When we estimated how far braneworld black holes might be from Earth, we were surprised to find that the nearest ones would lie well inside Pluto's orbit," Keeton said.

Petters added, "If braneworld black holes form even 1 percent of the dark matter in our part of the galaxy -- a cautious assumption -- there should be several thousand braneworld black holes in our solar system."

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: artbell; branetheory; cosmology; hyperspace; multidimensions; physics; supersymmetry
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To: taxed2death
"If a being existed in the 4th dimension and were able to come back into our dimension it would appear as if this being had supernatural powers....walking through walls, fire, rock...etc...."

Sorry for the double post - I boo boo'ed.

EXACTLY.

121 posted on 05/26/2006 5:13:48 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: RightWhale
Its predictions are wildly implausible, except where they have tuned the thing to agree with some already known. I don't expect it to pan out.

But there is something wrong with our present theory of gravity on large spatial scales. Too many epicycle corrections are piling up, when any lesser theory would just have been rejected by now as falsified by observation. (DM, DE, galactic rotation curves, etc).

122 posted on 05/26/2006 5:22:50 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Huck
"For as the pomegranate, with the rind containing it, has within it many cells and compartments which are separated by tissues, and has also many seeds dwelling in it, so the whole creation is contained by the spirit of God, and the containing spirit is along with the creation contained by the hand of God. As, therefore, the seed of the pomegranate, dwelling inside, cannot see what is outside the rind, itself being within; so neither can man, who along with the whole creation is enclosed by the hand of God, behold God."

From Book 1, Theophilous of Antioch

Infinity is holding a mirror in front of a mirror and seeing the reflection of a reflection of a reflection of a reflection of a reflection of a reflection of a reflection of a reflection......

123 posted on 05/26/2006 5:56:42 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Where'd you get that explanation? I really like that one because it allows me to'see' the idea.


124 posted on 05/26/2006 5:59:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Ben Mugged

There are only three physical dimensions; God does not **** with our heads. The only place you will ever see more than three dimensions is in linear programming applications and the like.


125 posted on 05/26/2006 5:59:17 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: avacado

I intended this -in our existence/in reality- to limit the realm of my expression. Math is not reality but it 'speaks' of reality.


126 posted on 05/26/2006 6:03:16 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
According to physics (I think), there should be measurable differences between the two models. (I don't know what these would be.)

Most everything you said looked right to me, except you used z in place of t in the c2 term (I assume that's a typo) - and the metrics you use all describe flat spacial geometries. Different geometries emerge when non-diagonal components appear in the metric tensor/matrix in the presence of a gravitational field (things start getting complicated then) - Einstein's gravitational equation dictates how this occurs. Assuming that this 4th spacial dimension has a localized geometry, I'm making an educated guess that the measurable effects would be that gravity becomes much stronger at super-short distances. (What distance, I don't know - experiment rules out anything greater than a cm or so, I think.)

For those interested, see things like quadratic forms or metric spaces, etc.

Most people will be deterred once they actually find out what goes into basic general relativity physics - not because it's too difficult in principle, but because it's, well, boring. Riemannian geometry is what it's all about, and unless you have a vested interest in learning it, it's all a lot of tedious algebra.

WALOGIMBAT

Now this has me confused!

127 posted on 05/26/2006 7:01:02 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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To: azhenfud

Nice post.


128 posted on 05/26/2006 7:20:18 AM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: Quark2005
THere is a difference in gravity with other dimensions. I also think that inverse square laws do not lead to stable orbits in other than three spatial dimensions. (I'm not sure if compactification matters here.)
129 posted on 05/26/2006 7:37:37 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Quark2005

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130 posted on 05/26/2006 7:38:33 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: tomzz

There are four according to the text: length, width, depth, and height.


131 posted on 05/26/2006 7:41:17 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Paradox

See! I told you... us scientists are sexy!

Er, most of us... okay some of us... a few of us...

Okay... Just Lisa Randall is sexy.


132 posted on 05/26/2006 7:42:43 AM PDT by AmericanRepublican (There are fools on both sides. Only the true Americans will prevail.)
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To: Ben Mugged
Interesting but Michael McCollum predicted this in one of his first books Antares Dawn
133 posted on 05/26/2006 7:44:50 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: Centurion2000

Its not like the idea is brand new, and Antares Dawn was written only 10 years ago or so.


134 posted on 05/26/2006 7:54:22 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Paradox

Actually I read Antares Dawn in high school and graduated in 89.


135 posted on 05/26/2006 8:03:46 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The social contract is breaking down.)
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To: AmericanRepublican; RadioAstronomer

There are some FR folks who think Radio Astronomer is sexy ... I cannot say, personally, since I've never met him. But such notions are logical since Astronomy deals with the big and that leaves lots of room for imagination.


136 posted on 05/26/2006 8:05:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Centurion2000

I had seen the second copyright date. It was copywritten originally in 1986. 20 years ago, this guy must have some physicist friends. Wait, just looked him up, the guy is a real Rocket Scientist!


137 posted on 05/26/2006 8:12:18 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Centurion2000; Physicist; RadioAstronomer
Did you ever read James Hogan's The Genesis Machine? (sorry Phyzz and Rades, for asking about your reading habits so much this morning!)
138 posted on 05/26/2006 8:16:21 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: OB1kNOb
Man, that Marilyn McCoo was (and is) one foxy lady.
139 posted on 05/26/2006 8:18:27 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan Any questions?)
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To: Paradox
It turns the ladies have a brane theorist of their own to drool over. Here's Arlie Petters:


140 posted on 05/26/2006 8:20:48 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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