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Scientists Predict How To Detect A Fourth Dimension Of Space
Science Daily ^ | May 25, 2006 | Unattributed (Duke University)

Posted on 05/25/2006 1:35:30 PM PDT by Ben Mugged

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To: Doctor Stochastic

That looks downright Lorentzian ... how transforming!


101 posted on 05/25/2006 9:39:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
If I rolled up my brane would it then be 4 dimensional? If I took a quantum Aspirin would my brane still ache?
102 posted on 05/25/2006 10:25:57 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


103 posted on 05/25/2006 10:32:59 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MHGinTN

Really?

What if there is no one around to see it?

Besides....matter can neither be created or destroyed.


104 posted on 05/26/2006 1:14:27 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: MHGinTN

The psychological/perceptual arrow of time

This is the most obvious arrow in human experience: We feel as if we are travelling from the past to the future; we perceive and remember the past and not the future (although sometimes these are treated as two different phenomena). However, because the workings of the mind are so complex and little understood, it is not obvious how the physical arrows of time contribute to this perception. It may be that learning to generate the causes needed to produce desired effects embedded the causal arrow in our perception.

It has also been argued that the arrow of time as we perceive it results from the influence of the second law of thermodynamics on the evolution of the brain, so that the psychological arrow follows from the thermodynamic. To remember something, our memory goes from a disordered state to a more ordered one, or from one ordered state to another. To ensure that the new state is the correct one, energy must be used to perform the work and this increases the disorder in the rest of the universe. There is always a greater increase in disorder than the amount of order gained in our memory, thus the arrow of time in which we remember things is in the same direction as that in which the disorder of the universe increases.

The link between this arrow of time and the thermodynamic arrow of time is best understood if we remember that the Second Law of Thermodynamics dictates that correlations between different parts of a system will be increased towards the future (rather than towards the past). Since memory is correlations between our brain cells (or computer bits) and the outer world, it is obvious why memory should be created as time passes (towards the future) rather than vice versa (towards the past). Additionally, our deeds may affect the future but not the past because affecting the outer world means to create correlations between ourselves (our bodies or brains) and the outer world.


105 posted on 05/26/2006 1:46:18 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: slimer
Now that reality has entered the equation, I'm totally confused.

Keep in mind that reality is warped, that makes it easier to understand.

106 posted on 05/26/2006 1:51:01 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: OB1kNOb

Marilyn McCoo and four back-up singers!


107 posted on 05/26/2006 1:51:30 AM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Ben Mugged
When we estimated how far braneworld black holes might be from Earth, we were surprised to find that the nearest ones would lie well inside Pluto's orbit," Keeton said.

So that's what keeps getting the odd sock out of the dryer...

108 posted on 05/26/2006 1:55:52 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Huck
"No matter how they try, no one can explain 4 dimensions in a way that I can understand. The loaf of bread metaphor doesn't cut it (har har)."

Try this. A point is a "no-dimensional" object. A line is a one-dimensional object, a square is a two-dimensional object and a cube is a three-dimentional object.

Now, the point is the shadow of the line if the line is viewed end-on. The line is the shadow of the square edge-on and the square is the shadow of the cube.

Q. The cube is the shadow of what?

A. A four dimensional object

109 posted on 05/26/2006 2:34:50 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: avacado
"The idea is to describe 4 dimensions of space without using time, or even saying the word time."

Movement of being from one dimension to another may only be done absent restraints of time, thus absent physical matter. It's a realm, a condition of being many call the "spiritual world". This state is referred to in this verse of scripture: "That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past."

110 posted on 05/26/2006 2:59:17 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Mat_Helm

If something lived in the 4th dimension and had 4th dimension perception, it could see us while we couldn't see it, unless it crossed into our line of perception?

Does any critter exist in only the 2nd or 1st dimension that we can perceive that cannot percieve us?



111 posted on 05/26/2006 3:01:28 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: taxed2death
"It is a human construct and nothing more."

I don't think so. Time is part of the created physical realm just as you and I are as long as we have a physical body.

In the scriptures it is written, "God said, ''Let there be...''" and it was and whatever came into physical being became bound to his law of time at that moment. Remember, the scriptures are written from a physical being's perspective - a perspective limited by time.

112 posted on 05/26/2006 3:06:00 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: calljack
Where is that "Time Kitty" when you need one??

The ice was too warm.

113 posted on 05/26/2006 3:10:15 AM PDT by The Chid
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To: taxed2death

Ecclesiastes 3:15


114 posted on 05/26/2006 3:16:00 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Ben Mugged

Immigration.

I was first!


115 posted on 05/26/2006 3:16:08 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Build the fence. Sí, Se Puede!)
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To: Jeff Chandler
THAT'S IT!

THAT'S what's wrong with FreeRepublic!....we need another dimension! (or two)

(it's going to be one of those Fridays....)

;)

116 posted on 05/26/2006 3:20:12 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: azhenfud

The "realization" of linear time is a perception of humans...or you might say one of the characteristics of "being" human. It is our particular level of consciousness that allows time to be viewed as such.

"Time is part of the created physical realm just as you and I are as long as we have a physical body."

So are you saying that time ceases to exist once we have died?


If a being existed in the 4th dimension and were able to come back into our dimension it would appear as if this being had supernatural powers....walking through walls, fire, rock...etc....


117 posted on 05/26/2006 4:15:38 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: MHGinTN
--- You cannot divorce time from the expressions of space in our existence/in reality since any expression of energy involves a temporal component ... ---

Sure you can divored time from 3D space. Simple math in 3 planes.

118 posted on 05/26/2006 4:41:59 AM PDT by avacado
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To: taxed2death
"So are you saying that time ceases to exist once we have died?"

No, not actually "ceases to exist". In essence, its relevance has been broken by one's entry into the spirit realm. Time only has an effect on matter which has physical mass, whether the mass is significant or not. Once a being has "passed" into the spiritual realm, time is of no more consequence.

That is why, I believe, the scriptural discription of heaven has the appearance of translucent objects and colors which are unimaginable within the physical realm. Time governs light's wavelengths and the varying visible lightwaves produce our ability to "see" or perceive color. Without the restriction of time, many other unknown colors may become "visable" - or should we say "perceivable" and "solids" would become permeable.

119 posted on 05/26/2006 5:10:40 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: taxed2death
"So are you saying that time ceases to exist once we have died?"

No, not actually "ceases to exist". In essence, its relevance has been broken by one's entry into the spirit realm. Time only has an effect on matter which has physical mass, whether the mass is significant or not. Once a being has "passed" into the spiritual realm, time is of no more consequence.

That is why, I believe, the scriptural discription of heaven has the appearance of translucent objects and colors which are unimaginable within the physical realm. Time governs light's wavelengths and the varying visible lightwaves produce our ability to "see" or perceive color. Without the restriction of time, many other unknown colors may become "visable" - or should we say "perceivable" and "solids" would become permeable.

120 posted on 05/26/2006 5:11:34 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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