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To: palmer; SampleMan
Rather I believe in individuals and if an individual fries his brain with drugs, that makes him a danger to society.

You have to do a LOT of drugs to "fry your brain". Unless you can come up with an objective measure for "danger to society" or "fried brain" then I think you're on thin ice, at least as far as a free society based on individual rights and limited government is concerned.

Anyway, one of your examples is wrong, Jim Crow laws weren't enacted because blacks were thought of as more criminal but because they were stereotyped as inferior and shouldn't be mixed in blood, marriage or society.

I wasn't representing the my examples as historically accurate, but rather a reflection of mindset of the modern-day bigot. For that matter, gun control laws weren't enacted to prevent school shootings, either, but rather to disarm black people. Irrespective of the historical origins, today's KKK bigots do indeed make claims about the statistical inclination of blacks to criminality as part of their argument to deny rights to all blacks, including non-criminal ones (who are in the majority). Similarly, today's Brady bunch bigots very much make the case that the only reason people would want guns is to commit murder, especially including school shootings, which is why the rights of non-criminal gun owners ought to be restricted or eliminated. Similarly, SM was/is unable to distinguish between a peaceful drug user and an armed robber, which is why he supports violent rights deprivations even against the former - at your and my expense.

89 posted on 06/07/2006 7:51:31 PM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: coloradan; palmer
Similarly, SM was/is unable to distinguish between a peaceful drug user and an armed robber, which is why he supports violent rights deprivations even against the former - at your and my expense.

Coloradan - Try getting your facts right. I differentiate very well. I just don't consider one of them to be innocent because the other is worse.

Palmer - If you haven't read all of these posts, I highly recommend it. Its most enlightening, humorous, and will save you some time.

100 posted on 06/08/2006 5:25:37 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: coloradan; palmer
I forgot one thing in my list of "what harm do drug users do?" answer.

On retrospection I realized that every person I knew in HS and college that smoked pot, was also a thief and/or vandal. Through 18 years on active duty and in the reserves, the only serious discipline problems I have encountered were from people who ended up being drug users. Thankfully, zero-tolerance in the military has resulted in amazingly low levels of use.

Finally, you keep calling me a "bigot". That silly tactic worked for Jessie Jackson ten years ago, but the party is over. I'm not going to run and hide because you call me a bigot. Tolerance of the intolerable isn't in itself a virtue, and intolerance isn't in itself bigotry. Are people intolerant of pedophilia bigots? Go to DU if you want to frighten people into submission with PC McCarthyism. That dog doesn't hunt on FR.
102 posted on 06/08/2006 6:24:40 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: coloradan; palmer
You have to do a LOT of drugs to "fry your brain".

Perhaps less than you think.

Unless you can come up with an objective measure for "danger to society" or "fried brain" then I think you're on thin ice, at least as far as a free society based on individual rights and limited government is concerned.

One cop making an on the spot determination should be OK right? As that's what you think should replace silly things like uniform speed limits.

119 posted on 06/08/2006 1:28:57 PM PDT by SampleMan
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