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To: coloradan; palmer
I forgot one thing in my list of "what harm do drug users do?" answer.

On retrospection I realized that every person I knew in HS and college that smoked pot, was also a thief and/or vandal. Through 18 years on active duty and in the reserves, the only serious discipline problems I have encountered were from people who ended up being drug users. Thankfully, zero-tolerance in the military has resulted in amazingly low levels of use.

Finally, you keep calling me a "bigot". That silly tactic worked for Jessie Jackson ten years ago, but the party is over. I'm not going to run and hide because you call me a bigot. Tolerance of the intolerable isn't in itself a virtue, and intolerance isn't in itself bigotry. Are people intolerant of pedophilia bigots? Go to DU if you want to frighten people into submission with PC McCarthyism. That dog doesn't hunt on FR.
102 posted on 06/08/2006 6:24:40 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan
Finally, you keep calling me a "bigot". That silly tactic worked for Jessie Jackson ten years ago, but the party is over. I'm not going to run and hide because you call me a bigot. Tolerance of the intolerable isn't in itself a virtue, and intolerance isn't in itself bigotry.

big·ot
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. source

It's not a "silly tactic" it's merely a statement of truth. Given how you even use the words in the dictionary.com definition, I don't expect you to run and hide - I expect you to wear the badge of bigotry proudly. You're a bigot, and you're proud of it. Celebrate it!

104 posted on 06/08/2006 6:36:48 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: SampleMan
On retrospection I realized that every person I knew in HS and college that smoked pot, was also a thief and/or vandal.

Every bigot has his story. From this, you made a stereotyping generalization, and have never looked back. Probably, there were others who did so but weren't otherwise criminal, but you didn't know about them and so they didn't influence your stereotype.

There are (as usual) remarkable parallels between your story, and the KKK and Brady bunch. There are certainly white supremacists, who the only black people they knew (or read about in the local paper) were criminals, hence, they concluded that all blacks were criminals, and that they should be sent away, separated, or otherwise controlled; they won't listen to arguments about non-criminal blacks, because they simply weren't a part of their formative experience.

Similarly, there are undoubtedly people, e.g. in New York City, who never hear of, nor know about, gun ownership except in the context of criminal activity. They too conclude that guns are solely a domain of crime, and that there is simply no reason for non-criminal people to own them, or even to want them, and that the only people who argue otherwise must therefore have murder on their minds, e.g., NRA members.

One of these years, you might realize that bigotry is a badge of shame, not honor, and that laws enacted out of bigotry are net detriments (even though a blacks put away by Jim Crow laws were criminal, and a few people put away for gun control violations too).

But probably not.

130 posted on 06/09/2006 7:43:09 AM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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