Campaign 2006: Challenger Irey criticizes Murtha on Iraq comments

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette ^ | 5-25-06 | Maeve Reston

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WASHINGTON - In the first chapter of what is likely to be a blistering campaign, U.S. Rep. John Murtha's Republican challenger, Diana L. Irey, traveled to Washington yesterday to decry Mr. Murtha as one-time patriot who has "lost his way" after his recent comments about a November incident involving U.S. Marines and civilian killings in the city of Haditha, Iraq.

[Coop]

Explain? It's in every one of my posts, Counselor. Why don't you get a paralegal to do a little research for you, hmmmm?

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Explain? It's in every one of my posts, Counselor. Why don't you get a paralegal to do a little research for you, hmmmm?

I've already considered that possibility, but discounted it b/c I would lose all respect for her if she really was as snotty as your posts suggest....or we can keep playing games, if you like.

[Coop]

In other words, you've been called on your nonsensical bombast, and rather than laying down in the hole you've begun to dig.

Yes, I'm the snotty one, Johnny Cochran! ROTFL!!

Thanks for the bumps. Your ignorant assertions are helping get the word out about Murtha and Irey. You're just apparently not bright enough to realize it.

I've made no suggestion at all as to Ms. Irey's temperament or tone. As with your other charges, Counselor, there's no "there" there. Anyone who has done the most basic research (or had a lowly paralegal do it for their regal selves!) can make their own determination of Ms. Irey's tone & temperament.

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Gee, one heck of a reply. Nonsencical bombast, that's brilliant. Johnny Cochran...never been called that one...at least you are creative.

I'm sorry that you cannot understand what I am saying, but it is not surprising. Here, let me explain it a bit clearer for you.

The cornerstone of Irey's campaign is that Murtha needs to go b/c of his comments on Iraq. However, Forty-three percent of respondents from the region said in a recent Quinnipiac University poll that all troops should be removed from Iraq.

Now Irey's campaign makes no sense to me. Yeah, it resonates on the blogosphere and FR, but not at home, where it counts.

But of course, you knew all that already, didn't you.

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COC is likely some low-level Murtha campaign lackey sent out to troll these threads. Lord knows they been buzzing around lately flies on a cow patty. "Rabid freepers"? "One-trick pony"? Lolololol!!!!

[Just A Nobody]

"However, Forty-three percent of respondents from the region said in a recent Quinnipiac University poll that all troops should be removed from Iraq."
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Please provide the link and internals of the poll you are quoting.

I found these figures, but I am not sure if it is the same poll you cite. Also, any poll that will not furnish their internals is worth less than the other polls, all being worthless, IMO.

In this poll, please note they report that 669 DemonRATS were polled, but give no numbers of Republicans and Independents. Bogus poll.....
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From May 2 - 8, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,487 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points. The survey includes 669 Democrats with a margin of error of +/- 3.8 percentage points.

Looking at the situation in Iraq:
15 percent of voters say increase U.S. troop levels;
21 percent say keep current troop levels;
24 percent say decrease troop levels;
32 percent say remove all troops.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11379.xml?ReleaseID=911

[Just A Nobody]

The cornerstone of Irey's campaign is that Murtha needs to go b/c of his comments on Iraq.

If that is your understanding of the Irey campaign, you are sadly mistaken. Might I suggest you learn more about her and what she stands for.

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In this poll, please note they report that 669 DemonRATS were polled, but give no numbers of Republicans and Independents. Bogus poll.....

District 12 is more than 2-1 Dem to Pub so the poll is not "bogus".

[ContemptofCourt]

If that is your understanding of the Irey campaign, you are sadly mistaken. Might I suggest you learn more about her and what she stands for.

LOL. Google Irey Murtha and what do you get?

[Just A Nobody]

*** shaking head ***

You said:
Forty-three percent of respondents from the region said in a recent Quinnipiac University poll that all troops should be removed from Iraq."

I provide the poll with working link, saying:
32 percent say remove all troops.

All you have to say is:
District 12 is more than 2-1 Dem to Pub so the poll is not "bogus".

Where is your evidence? You know what evidence is don't you counselor? PROOF!

As I stated before.....
" any poll that will not furnish their internals is worth less than the other polls, all being worthless, IMO.

Polls in general are contracted to produce a pre-conceived opinions.

[Just A Nobody]

I do not support Google.

[ContemptofCourt]

I love it when you guys call me counselor. WTF...does that lend your argument that much more weight?

Google it and you'll find the proper link.

[Coop]

District 12 is more than 2-1 Dem to Pub so the poll is not "bogus".

We know what the registration numbers are, Counselor. And we also know that they have NOTHING to do with a poll's methodology if you can't compare percentages of party members polled.

[ContemptofCourt]

Coop, I keep hear you saying that 49% of District 12 voted for Bush. As you know, District 12 is comprised of 6 counties. Please supply me with a link that supports your contention. Thanks.

[Coop]

You can't provide a link or do even the most basic research on what Ms. Irey says, you blow off justanobody, and now you want me for the umpteenth time to provide source data for that?

Uh...

Sure, Counselor. You wait right here. I'll be right back with your data...

[crosspatch]

I believe the district has been gerrymandered by a Republican state legislature since that election so it would be even more Republican now than it was then.

[crosspatch]

Also, as you can see from this map from USA Today that shows election results by county, nearly all counties in Pennsylvania went for Bush. Only the areas around Philadelphia and Pittsburgh went for Kerry but because those counties are so densely populated, the state went Kerry. Contrary to popular belief, PA is not a "Democratic state". As you can see from the map, it is mostly a Republican state and in fact has a Republican legislature.

[Coop]

Bump

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Also, as you can see from this map from USA Today that shows election results by county, nearly all counties in Pennsylvania went for Bush. Only the areas around Philadelphia and Pittsburgh went for Kerry but because those counties are so densely populated, the state went Kerry. Contrary to popular belief, PA is not a "Democratic state". As you can see from the map, it is mostly a Republican state and in fact has a Republican legislature.

Do you live in PA? If you do, you need to get out more often.

You USA Today map means nothing and is irrelevant. Are you familiar at all with the voters of District 12? Who did they vote for for PA Gov? Attorney General? State offices? They voted dem.

Pennsylvania is a Dem state, but Pennsylvanians are conservative democrats. And you would never know that PA has a Repub legislature, because they all act like Dems, too.

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Coop, you are hilarious. Very good at doublespeak and trying to deflect arguments.

I asked you once to provide a source for information, namely, that the voters of District 12 voted 49% for Bush in 2004.

As you should know, District 12 is comprised of the following:

Part of Allegheny County consisting of the Township of East Deer Ward 2, Forward Ward 3 and the Borough of Tarentum.

Part of Armstrong County consisting of the Townships of Bethel, Burrell, Gilpin, Kiskiminetas, Manor, North Buffalo - East, Parks, Plumcreek, South Bend and South Buffalo District Eastern, and the Boroughs of Apollo, Elderton, Ford City, Ford Cliff, Freeport, Kittanning, Leechburg, Manorville and North Apollo.

Part of Cambria County consisting of the City of Johnstown; the Townships of Adams, Barr, Blacklick, Cambria, Conemaugh, Cresson, Croyle, East Carroll, East Taylor, Jackson, Lower Yoder, Middle Taylor, Munster, Portage, Richland, Stonycreek, Summerhill, Upper Yoder, Washington, West Carroll and West Taylor; and the Boroughs of Brownstown, Carrolltown, Cassandra, Cresson, Daisytown, Dale, East Conemaugh, Ebensburg, Ehrenfeld, Ferndale, Franklin, Geistown, Lilly, Lorain, Nanty Glo, Portage, Sankertown, Scalp Level, South Fork, Southmont, Susquehanna - North, Summerhill, Vintondale, Westmont and Wilmore.

Part of Fayette County consisting of the Cities of Connellsville Ward Ward 1, 2, 3 and 6, and Uniontown; the Townships of Brownsville, Bullskin, Dunbar Districts 2, 3 and 4, Franklin, Georges Districts 3 and 4, German, Jefferson, Lower Tyrone, Luzerne, Menallen, North Union Districts 1, 2, 4 and 5, Perry, Redstone, Saltlick, South Union Districts 1 and 2, Springhill District 2, Upper Tyrone and Washington; and the Boroughs of Belle Vernon, Brownsville, Dawson, Dunbar, Everson, Fayette City, Masontown, Newell, Perryopolis, Point Marion and Vanderbilt.

All of Greene County.

Part of Indiana County consisting of the Townships of Cherryhill, Pine and White Districts 1 and 2, and the Boroughs of Clymer and Indiana Districts 2 and 3.

Part of Somerset County consisting of the Townships of Conemaugh, Jefferson, Jenner, Lincoln, Middlecreek, Paint and Quemahoning, and the Boroughs of Benson, Boswell, Hooversville, Jennerstown, Paint, Seven Springs, Stoystown and Windber.

Part of Washington County consisting of the Cities of Monongahela and Washington and the Townships of Canton, Carroll Districts 2, 3 and 5, Chartiers Districts 3, 5, 6 and 7, East Bethlehem, Fallowfield Districts 1, 2 and 4, North Bethlehem, North Strabane Districts 2, and 3 (only blocks 3016, 3017, 4004, 4005, 4006, 4007, 4011, 4012, 4013 and 4015 of tract 745100), Somerset, South Strabane Districts 2, 4 and 5, Union, West Bethlehem; and West Pike Run and the Boroughs of Allenport, Beallsville, Bentleyville, California, Canonsburg Wards 2 and 3 (Division 1), Centerville, Charleroi Districts 1, 3 and 4, Coal Center, Cokeburg, Deemston, Donora, Dunlevy, East Washington District 2, Elco, Ellsworth, Finleyville, Houston, Long Branch, Marianna, New Eagle, North Charleroi, Roscoe, Speers, Stockdale, Twilight and West Brownsville.

And part of Westmoreland County consisting of the Cities of Arnold, Latrobe, Lower Burrell, Monessen and New Kensington and the Townships of Allegheny, Bell, Derry districts Alters, Brandenville, Cokeville, Cooperstown, Kingston, Loyalhanna, Millwood, New Derry, Peanut, Saxman, Scalp Level, and Simpsons, Derry, East Huntingdon District Bessemer, Fairfield, Hempfield Districts Bovard, Hannastown and Luxor, Loyalhanna, Mount Pleasant Districts Bridgeport, Duncan, Heccla, Laurel Run, Mammoth, Spring Garden, United and Westmoreland, Rostraver, Salem Districts Hugus and Mechlings, Sewickley Districts East Herminie, Lowber, Rillton, Sewickley and West Herminie, South Huntingdon Districts Jacobs Creek, Mineral, Port Royal, Wayne, Wyano and Yukon, St. Clair, Unity Districts Crabtree, Dorothy, Lloydsville, Pleasant Unity and Mutual , Upper Burrell and Washington Districts North Washington and Paulton; and the Boroughs of Avonmore, Bolivar, Derry, East Vandergrift, Hyde Park, Mount Pleasant, New Alexandria, New Florence, North Belle Vernon, Oklahoma, Scottdale, Seward, Smithton, Vandergrift, West Leechburg and West Newton.

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Now, I don't know if you have seen what this district looks like on a map, but it is an ugly stain of a district. I am unfamiliar with any election results which break down the Presidential election in PA by congresssional district. If you are implicating by county-wide results, fine, then just say so.