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The universe before it began
Seed Magazine ^
| 5/22/06
| Maggie Wittlin
Posted on 05/24/2006 3:59:24 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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But as density increases, approaching 1075 times the nuclear density, this repulsion begins to dominate.
But not in black holes?
To: LibWhacker
Oh no. The creationists have had it now (insert sarcasm).
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:01:41 PM PDT
by
BipolarBob
(Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I looked in my rearview mirror.)
To: LibWhacker
This is an answer?
Just postulate another universe and hope nobody notices? or worse yet, ask that damm embarrassing question...
... WTF did THAT universe come from... ?
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:06:51 PM PDT
by
Publius6961
(Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
To: LibWhacker
Nope. Ain't dense enough.
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:08:21 PM PDT
by
Gordongekko909
(I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
To: LibWhacker
Black holes are balloons compared to the singularity.
To paraphrase Stephen Hawkins "When God said 'Let there be Light', the question isn't whether the universe burst into existance; the question is 'Did God have a choice?'.
There's some good information here that's way over my head. Black holes are in the neighborhood of 10e35 times the nuclear density, nothing near 10e75 (unless I'm severely mis-understanding my physics - which is entirely possible too).
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:08:40 PM PDT
by
Hodar
(With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
To: Hodar
10 to the 75th is a lot of anything!!!!:-)
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:12:38 PM PDT
by
GW and Twins Pawpaw
(Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
To: Publius6961
As I understand things, the distribution of elements from a 'pure energy' perspective, should be very heavy in the Hydrogen, Helium and taper to a stop around Fe (iron). From a single Big Bang, very complex atoms with a higher atomic weight than iron would be practially non-existant.
That doesn't match reality, because we have tons of Silicon, Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Copper, Zinc. As you move up the Periodic Table, the frequency of these elements get more and more rare.
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:12:49 PM PDT
by
Hodar
(With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
To: LibWhacker
just before the Big Bang occurred, another universe very similar to ours may have been contractingI thought we already decided our universe is destined to expand forever; in which case such a universe is not that similar to ours.
The current researcher seems to have a different opinion about our universe's fate...
To: BipolarBob
Picture taken just before the universe was created:
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:14:24 PM PDT
by
Kenny Bunkport
(As the Democrat Party becomes more evil, the GOP becomes more stupid. What's a voter to do?)
To: Hodar
Darn, I didn't complete my thought; sorry.
So, as the distribution of elements that 'ought' to appear from the 'original' big bang -aka the Singularity- didn't appear, the theory goes that there was a Bang, a contraction and then another Bang, and another contraction and then another Bang (I believe the guess is 5 Bangs to get to where we are today).
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:15:07 PM PDT
by
Hodar
(With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
To: LibWhacker
Using a theory called "loop quantum gravity," a group led by Penn State professor Abhay Ashtekar has shown that just before the Big Bang occurred, another universe very similar to ours may have been contracting.Where did that universe come from?
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:15:44 PM PDT
by
Kenny Bunkport
(As the Democrat Party becomes more evil, the GOP becomes more stupid. What's a voter to do?)
To: LibWhacker
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:16:39 PM PDT
by
dangerdoc
(dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
To: Gengis Khan; ridgerunner; little jeremiah; The Lion Roars
The "Hindu" and Buddhist cycle of creation and destruction.
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:17:51 PM PDT
by
razoroccam
(Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
To: Gordongekko909; Hodar
Hmmm... I've always heard black holes are infinitely dense mathematical points.
For instance here at NASA they say:
The star eventually collapses to the point of zero volume and infinite density, creating what is known as a " singularity ".
Or
here at MIT:
A black hole forms when a very massive star runs out of fuel. Without the power to support its mass, the star implodes and the core collapses to a point of infinite density.
Confusing!
Thanks for the link, Hodar... Checking it out now.
To: Hodar
So our universe is a 5-banger?
(I'm not sure if I want to go there...)
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:18:30 PM PDT
by
Publius6961
(Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
To: LibWhacker
Yeah, but what about the coming Gnab Gib?
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:22:24 PM PDT
by
WestVirginiaRebel
(Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
To: Hodar
There's some good information here that's way over my head. Black holes are in the neighborhood of 10e35 times the nuclear density, nothing near 10e75 (unless I'm severely mis-understanding my physics - which is entirely possible too). I'd always heard that the singularity at the center of a black hole was INFINITELY dense. Which would mean, by this theory, that each black hole forms a new universe (somewhere in hyperspace)
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:22:42 PM PDT
by
SauronOfMordor
(A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
To: LibWhacker
I love this stuff, trying to wrap my feeble mind around such complex theories.
To: Publius6961
The same science that can not explain how aspirin works now with a straight face give us ANOTHER universe! They have a ways to go to map out the one we have now. How did the first universe come to be? Oh wait... that must be yet another universe!
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:24:21 PM PDT
by
Sterlis
(My brain is full.....)
To: SauronOfMordor
I wish I was smart enough to get paid to sit around and think this crap up.
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posted on
05/24/2006 4:24:56 PM PDT
by
DonaldC
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