Posted on 05/24/2006 9:32:07 AM PDT by Albion Wilde
Wafa Sultan:The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations.... It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete... [snip]
Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?
Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I mean.
"Tuna", is a Turkish national, a devout follower of the Prophet AND a wonderful LADY!
As many Christians do I assume then that she is a devout follower of the Prophet for those passages in the Koran convenient to believe in and she must discount other parts.
Until I am convinced otherwise I don't see how one can be a devout follower of any religion and accept the existence of nonbelievers without conflict.
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"It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing." General George S. Patton
"It took me a long time to realize just how much a student of medieval history could gain from observing the Arab."
General George S. Patton
the actions of the Pope and Catholics at the time, as well as the Protestants in other instances remind me of the Muslims today.
To judge history by today's standards is not likely to shed much light on instances that took place centuries ago. The practices and standards of the 7th century were much different than today and chopping off heads and wading in pools of the blood of your enemies was normal in settling conflict. Some of grew out of those times and others didn't. I'd judge those who didn't by today's standards.
GALLIA est omnis divisa in partes tres,
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Americans have for over 200 years lived in a pluralistic society that does not persecute or call for the death of persons because of their religious beliefs. Conflict? Intellectual, moral or spiritual, perhaps, but not physical and violent. There's a vast difference.
This is the entire point of this video. She makes it clear that while terrible violence has been done to Jews in the Holocaust, churches have been burned and statues of Buddha destroyed by Islamists, these three groups did not respond by religious-based violence.
Excellent post. Christians and Jews are not known to burn religious monuments or threaten and kill people to avenge cartoons and verbal assaults to their religions. In fact, they will fight and die for the rights of people to criticize (peacefully) whatever they should choose, even though they may abhor the manner in which it is done.
I was trying to explain how this is central to the concept of freedom to the Muslim woman on my flight yesterday. They seem to look more to the hereafter than to our life here, so though the moderates do "lip service" to wanting all to be "free", they have a warped concept of what freedom is.
For one thing, the women in the cult of Islam do not really enjoy freedom even now. For another, in the ideal "Allah-centered" universe, theirs would have the freedom, and all others would be killed or enslaved anyway, so it is just the worthless non-believers who would suffer the lack of freedom as they see it, so what's the big deal? They do not share the "live and let live" philosophy that is a cornerstone of other religions.
One cannot discount that it is the leaders of this group who are now emboldened to utter things they would not have said even a few years ago, such as Quadafi (sp?) "Americans should adopt Islam or be at war with Islam." Ahmadenijad "Israel should be wiped off the map." (I know I am killing the spellings and even the exact wording of the quotes, but, you will agree that I have the essence).
These may be maniacal crazies, but they ARE leaders of state. Why are we not seeing more outrage from within this group? That is a question I asked last night and it is a question we must continue to ask of this group who think they belong to a "religion".
45 years out of Latin, my memory is that it was
"Omnia Gallia en tres patres divsa est" as, in Latin, the verb always ended the sentence -- but 45 years is a long time ;)
eleni121, please note that Wafa says she is not a Muslim.
Persons of all religions should be mindful of the hereafter. However, it should be noted that the Islamists have no experience of freedom -- they must obey or else. We have the precious freedom to choose our religion, make a rational, adult decision to embrace it. This makes our choices more meaningful to the Living God, or the Spirit of Truth, as Jesus termed it.
the PEOPLE on the other hand are DECENT.
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Certainly true of many. And more's the shame that sharia law and extremism is imposed on them.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
of course, that is ALSO true of the VAST majority of so-called "Christian nations".
as an old friend of mine used to say of his country:
One fine day, i believe that this wonderful country will have a government that is a credit to this country's WONDERFUL people.
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I think this woman is great. The Islamists can go do unmentionable things with the animals that their religion forbids them to eat, as far as I'm concerned.
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