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No Clash of Civilizations but a Clash between... Middle Ages and 21st Century
MEMRI TV (Middle East Media Research Institute ^ | 2/21/06 | Wafa Sultan

Posted on 05/24/2006 9:32:07 AM PDT by Albion Wilde

Wafa Sultan:The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations.... It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete... [snip]

Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?

Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I mean.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizations; huntington; islam; memri; memritv; muslim; samhuntington; wafasultan
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
yep. frankly, i DO welcome hatefulNESS, perversity, SELF-righteousness,childISHness, arrogant ignorance & SELF-serving blather from "scalawags" & "members of the DAMNyankee coven of lunatics", as they make the MEAN-spirited,LEFTIST,elitist,REVISIONIST, "unionist" cause LOOK BAD!

free dixie,sw

201 posted on 06/01/2006 9:39:31 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: steve-b
15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true.

He's speaking in absolute terms, not in political terms.

For example, you've adopted the false belief of atheism which you claim to have arrived at by the light of reason. You're free to hold this belief in a civil sense, but not in an absolute sense. "The fool in his heart says there is no God."

77. In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.

Certainly the Catholic religion may be held as the only religion of the State since it is the Church that Jesus established. This does not preclude tolerance of religious minorities, however. See present day England as an example of a nation with an established church that tolerates other religions.

78. Hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship.

In other words, "it is not always wise that persons coming to reside in Catholic countries shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship." I do not believe in absolute tolerance of all religions, even in a civil sense. Mohammedanism comes to mind as an example of a religion the public worship of which should be suppressed in Catholic countries.

There are other consequences to religious indifferentism, which the pope addressed in the following error:

79. Moreover, it is false that the civil liberty of every form of worship, and the full power, given to all, of overtly and publicly manifesting any opinions whatsoever and thoughts, conduce more easily to corrupt the morals and minds of the people, and to propagate the pest of indifferentism. -- Allocution "Nunquam" Dec. 15, 1856.
Civil indifferentism to religion in the West has led to absolute indifferentism to religion and a concomitant moral collapse.
202 posted on 06/01/2006 10:37:23 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan
He's speaking in absolute terms, not in political terms.

Could you identify the penumbra from which flows the emantion that supports this interpretation?

Certainly the Catholic religion may be held as the only religion of the State since it is the Church that Jesus established.

Chapter and verse (for the "may be held as the only religion" part, not the "Church that Jesus established" part, that is)?

This does not preclude tolerance of religious minorities, however.

Presumably, you have access to a dictionary that enables you to parse the phrase "to the exclusion of all other forms of worship" in a manner consistent with this statement. I trust that when you're finished with it, Mr. Clinton will get it back in the same condition it was when you borrowed it.

I do not believe in absolute tolerance of all religions, even in a civil sense.

It is hardly necessary for you to state this explicitly, any more that it is necessary for Osama bin Laden or President Ahmadinejad to make such a statement.

203 posted on 06/01/2006 10:51:14 AM PDT by steve-b (hardcore 'social' conservatives are to the Rs what the hardcore moonbat eco-nuts are to to the Ds)
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To: Aquinasfan
Civil indifferentism to religion in the West has led to absolute indifferentism to religion and a concomitant moral collapse.

Post Hoc rides again....

204 posted on 06/01/2006 10:53:45 AM PDT by steve-b (hardcore 'social' conservatives are to the Rs what the hardcore moonbat eco-nuts are to to the Ds)
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To: stand watie

I thought you were against all upper case. I thought you were a lower case person, ready to get hysterical against any upper case usage.


205 posted on 06/01/2006 11:07:38 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: tkathy

Since he will not stop, he will only have himself to blame.


206 posted on 06/01/2006 7:57:16 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: stand watie

The RCCs have not exactly set the world on fire with the countries where they have dominated politically.

All the RCC countries in central and south america are dysfunctional, corrupt, abusive societies.


207 posted on 06/02/2006 6:10:09 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: M. Espinola

Name calling is a sure sign of a lack of intellect.


208 posted on 06/02/2006 11:19:12 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: tkathy
describing a

" four -legged piece of furniture, with a top & leaves, at which one sits in a chair" as a TABLE is NOT "name calling",

any more than describing

a "person who makes FALSE, BIGOTED,stereotypical, PREJUDICED statements against persons, based on their cultural heritage,skin color/tone or ethnicity" as a RACIST/BIGOT is "name calling".

SORRY, "tkathy" but once more, you LOSE this one.

PITY that you aren't better at verbal argument & debate technique. your SILLY post makes you an EASY target for RIDICULE.

free dixie,sw

209 posted on 06/02/2006 2:27:13 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: tkathy
one notes that failed to answer the question posed. nobody here (with the possible exception of the coven's "class clown" & DUMB-bunny) was fooled.

free dixie,sw

210 posted on 06/02/2006 2:29:23 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

Name calling is a sure sign of covering up the fact that you're wrong and attempting to deflect that fact.


211 posted on 06/02/2006 4:28:19 PM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: tkathy
you should know that better than anyone. otoh, since you post NOTHING that is worth reading, we'll discount your posts as WORTHLESS.

free dixie,sw

212 posted on 06/03/2006 7:39:48 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: tkathy
did you bother to READ #209??? did you UNDERSTAND it???

obviously, the answer to at least the second question is NO.

free dixie,sw

213 posted on 06/04/2006 2:54:55 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

I read #209 and no, I admit I can't figure out what you're saying. Could you please rephrase it in American English?


214 posted on 06/04/2006 4:27:36 PM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: tkathy
with pleasure!

what i said is that describing a person as a BIGOT/RACIST, based on his DEMONSTRATED characteristics,is NOT "name calling", just as describing a "piece of furniture with legs & a top, at which one sits" as a TABLE is simply describing it.

excusing the hatefulness and/or trying to "cover up" for prejudiced/bigoted/racist people does you NO honor.

free dixie,sw

215 posted on 06/05/2006 7:59:47 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

The hate America coven that has infiltrated the Republican Party, and seems bent on destroying the glorious civil rights and personal responsibility party that my grandfather and greatgrandfather voted for, are attempting to change it from a big tent party with big ideas into a party of forcing narrow, bigoted, religious views of a few onto the many.


216 posted on 06/05/2006 8:12:14 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: tkathy
i fear you are correct. it is NOT the Party of REAGAN any more.

free dixie,sw

217 posted on 06/05/2006 9:13:53 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: stand watie

It's not the party of the sainted martyr Lincoln, or Teddy Roosevelt as well as the great Reagan and the great Eisenhower (the first black president).


218 posted on 06/05/2006 10:15:19 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: tkathy
THANK GOODNESS the GOP is NOT the party of the "clay-footed, secular saint abe of DAMNyankeeland", the TYRANT, war criminal & crooked, shyster lawyer!

and you believe Ike was black???? (he didn't look Black to me when, as a Boy Scout at the Colorado Springs Jamboree, i shook hands with him.)

free dixie,sw

219 posted on 06/05/2006 2:15:46 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Albion Wilde

Does anyone have this video file that I can download to pc?


220 posted on 08/07/2006 3:24:21 PM PDT by free_life
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