Yep especially with the Queen of the political grifters, bay buchanan, as tancredo's PAC partner.
Posted on 05/23/2006 3:37:01 PM PDT by KyleM
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO), Chairman of the 97-member House Immigration Reform Caucus, expressed disappointment at Rep. Mike Pence’s policy shift on immigration reform. At a Heritage Foundation speech this afternoon, Pence presented what he called “a rational middle ground… between amnesty and mass deportation” that turns its back on a enforcement-first strategy, grants rogue employers amnesty, and would in effect reward illegal aliens for breaking the law.
“Mike Pence is making the same mistakes that the President has, using the straw man of mass deportations and redefining amnesty to suit his interests. Unfortunately, like the President, Pence is breaking from House conservatives who remain steadfast in their support of a security-first approach to immigration,” said Tancredo.
Pence’s plan would require illegal aliens to return to their home countries to apply for a new ‘W’ worker visa. Employers could hire as many foreign workers as they want under the W visa, and, in practice, they would likely hire the same workers who they employed illegally before. Pence wants to start the new foreign worker program before border security is even proved effective, which is the same strategy that was used in the 1986 amnesty. Twenty years later, the U.S. got amnesty as promised but no border security.
“Pence’s W visa is aptly named. It gives the Administration exactly what it wants: unlimited foreign workers first, enforcement later or never,” said Tancredo. “Pence’s plan is just the 1986 amnesty with a trip home tacked on.”
The Pence plan includes no prevailing wage standard for foreign workers—it simply relies on the good will of employers to “try to hire American workers” before offering jobs under the new foreign worker visa. In fact, almost all current visas require employers to offer the job to American workers before seeking foreign labor, but with no enforcement mechanism, the requirement is laughable.
“The House’s strategy in H.R. 4437 was to fix the illegal alien problem by enforcing the law. Over time, as illegal workers cannot obtain jobs, they go home because they have no other option open to them. Pence takes a much different approach: fix illegal behavior by legalizing it,” said Tancredo. “As a conservative and a friend of Mike Pence, I am baffled by his shift on immigration. I hope he reconsiders his position and returns to an enforcement-first position.”
So I read that and Pence takes a long time to get to the details of his plan. Why? So people will tire of waiting for the jist of it?
Essentially everyone who broke the law gets to stay minus a loss of a week? and apply for citizenship while low skilled American workers have to compete with an overbundance of foreign workers willing to accept less. All this happens immediately before enforcement.
Pence should be ashamed.
Lost it?
Tancredo's one of the few sane men in there.
Sali for Idaho - a real conservative
""Why is that? He just accurately described Pence's plan. I personally couldn't care less if illegal aliens go home and then come back to work. The end result is the same""
Pretty much so. Notice as Bush/Dems/MSM define opponents as "right wing extremists" similar happening here with the Tancredo focus.
Pence writes:
"I come before you today in the midst of a national debate over immigration reform. While I acknowledge that, as the New York Times stated Sunday, we are near the "end game" on immigration reform in the United States Senate,"
I agree with that. "Immigration reform" cannot be passed with coupling it to Border Security and enforcement of current laws. Bush has created a false dillema with his "comprehensive" plan. Bills for security have been passed before without changing immigration laws.
If the bill fails, Dems and Bush claiming Repub obstruction will fail. More attention will come to the issue, and it will hurt the proponents. Heck, I read a New York Times article a day or two ago where it felt it had to at least make a stab at the economic effects the bill will have on Americans...it's a start!
Yep especially with the Queen of the political grifters, bay buchanan, as tancredo's PAC partner.
"and apply for citizenship "
No they can't
"All this happens immediately before enforcement. "
no it doesn't
Hardly.
He didn't go to Vietnam because he was "mentally unfit".
Pence Proposes "No Amnesty" Amnesty
Mike Pence has proposed his “ Border Integrity and Immigration Reform Act” which he calls another compromise. You know what that means—dressed up Amnesty. Pence calls his bill the “no-Amnesty Solution” yet he makes clear that all illegal aliens can immediately return to the US as guestworkers! This is very problematic because Pence has a reputation as a principled conservative. He is a member of Tom Tancredo’s Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, and Tancredo and 62% of the CIRC are members of his Republican Study Committee. Call Pence at (202) 225-3021 and let him know that you do not support his “no-amnesty” amnesty.” Also call congressmen who are in the CIRC and RSC and tell them to stand with Tancredo and for Secure Borders, not with Pence and Amnesty.
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Exactly
"Pence is the crack in the wall. HR 4437, by itself, is dead. He's a practical politician, and knows the GOP House members will suffer if there is no immigration bill."
Plus it pays better.
Really, S, you think Democrats ranting to their base about "comprehensive" reform is going to help them? That only flies in upper class circles.
Repubs will clobber the Dems on the issue. Bush is a complicating factor, no doubt. Repubs will run on security first, talk about Amnesty later.
Wanna bet?
Naturally, I take the conservative POV. Naturally we disagree.
Rush Limbaugh has it right. Check this out, GOP Won't Hold the House By Passing the Senate Bill
I really like Sali too. Him or Vasquez needs to defeat Sorensen.
I don't know about this Pence. Does he have higher ambitions, like Senate? May be whoring himself to the Business Lobby money. Which lobby wrote his bill?
"Yep especially with the Queen of the political grifters, bay buchanan, as tancredo's PAC partner."
I wonder what Ronald W. Reagan, the man quoted in your tagline, saw in Bay Buchanan, huh?
Yes. Make it a big number, because this is a bet I WILL collect on.
Operative term, MAYBE we get enforcement.
Or, it gets unfunded just like the proposed 10,000 new border patrol, or employers apply political pressure, and we have business as usual.
Prove to me FIRST that we'll actually have enforcement. If we don't, we have 12-20 million illegals PLUS the new "guestworkers" who will probably decide they don't want to leave either.
That's why HR 4437 is superior.
Horse before cart.
Did you actually read his porposal? If so, refute with the proposal. Please educate me how I'm wrong in my interpretation.
better yet, let me help you out.
There also will be a limit on the amount of time a guest worker can spend in America. Guest workers will be allowed to renew their W Visas, but only for a period of up to six years. At that point, the guest should decide whether to return home or enter the separate process of seeking citizenship.
The process that I just described to you will only take a matter of one week, or less. That is the beauty of the program. Speed is so important. No employer in America wants to lose employees for an extended amount of time. No worker who is earning money to feed and clothe a family can afford to be off the job for long. But, an employer faced with a looming requirement to verify the legality of its employees and stiff fines for employing illegal aliens will be willing to use a quick system to obtain legal employees. And, an illegal alien currently employed in America will be willing to take a quick trip across the border to come back outside of the shadows and in a job where he does not fear a raid by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
>>>>LOL. I do hope you're kidding. We have been that wrong before...and that includes me.
With all due repsect, I take the conservative position. When JimRob polled us Freepers a short while back, HR 4437 passed with overwhelming support. I can't speak for liberals, Democrats and political centrists, nor should I. Since FR is still labeled "the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web", I'll continue to advance conservtism through this public forum.
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