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Cars run on water: Miracle or scam?
World Net Daily, CNN ^ | 05-20-06

Posted on 05/23/2006 9:27:27 AM PDT by floridaobserver

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To: doc30

In this Fox Report, it is said that the gas temperature will go up as high as the surface of the Sun.


http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv



101 posted on 05/23/2006 10:51:00 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: longshadow
No, The Water Engine. A TV version starred William H Macy and Martin Sheen.
102 posted on 05/23/2006 10:51:54 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: floridaobserver

Having viewed that I still find it suspect.

The bottom line is that energy is a constant. Whenever a material changes state energy is released in the form of heat, light, or radiation.

So the process of changing state from H20 to HHO which I think is either mischaraterized or just plain absurd would require energy from the alternator which is getting it's energy from the engine, which is not 100 percent efficient either.

Sorry, it just doesn't wash with me.


103 posted on 05/23/2006 10:54:32 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: RightWingAtheist
No, The Water Engine. A TV version starred William H Macy and Martin Sheen.

Whoa! Hadn't heard of it before. Bet it is good.

104 posted on 05/23/2006 10:57:09 AM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: The Enlightener
"H2SO4, for instance is Hydrochloric Acid, which is used in lead acid batteries.

My battery uses sulfuric acid, which is what H2S04 is in my science book. I don't think you'd have any lead left if you put hydrocloric acid in your battery. you might notice a dangerous cloud though.

105 posted on 05/23/2006 10:58:18 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: jeffers
An alternator is spinning all the time a car's running, you should be able to harvest any of the electricity produced that isn't being used by the car's electrical system and run the car more efficiently.

While an alternator may be spinning all the time, it produces significant "drag" on the engine, depending on the electrical load. So basically, it takes more fuel to turn the engine. IE, no free lunch. I would call it a "scam" because it looks like it violates a few laws of physics and chemistry.

Back in the Wright brothers day, scientists didn't think flying was impossible, of course. Neither did they think that breaking the sound barrier was impossible. Now, violating the laws of physics.. impossible.

106 posted on 05/23/2006 10:58:42 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Rio
Your adding free H & HO to the mix. He's not generating 2H2 + O2 so there's still an ionic response there.

While this is a form of electrolysis, it's an incomplete process.

Quite frankly, he might actually have something here. But being and engineer, I'm still screaming "prove it!".
107 posted on 05/23/2006 10:58:57 AM PDT by Freeport
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To: longshadow

It's OK; it's in no way as good as Oleanna or American Buffalo, and it actually feels in some ways like a dry run for The Spanish Prisoner.


108 posted on 05/23/2006 10:59:27 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: Leatherneck_MT; Ranger Drew; floridaobserver

You guys should take notice that aside from yourselves, the only other people treating this as plausible are the dumbest people in the world (i.e., TV journalists).

-- Sloth, chemical engineer


109 posted on 05/23/2006 11:01:01 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: kingu
Already talking with a station owner.

You might want to read more on the product. It is a patented product and has been around 10 yrs. It has only been sold to large commercial companies and governments.

It is also added to crankcase oil, transmission and power steering. With a ten year track record, it has already shown to be cost effective and helps lower maintenance cost.

One commercial company used to change oil in their diesels every 250 hrs. After taking oil samples, they are now changing oil every 750 hrs.

This is not a new product. It is just going to be made available to the public now.
110 posted on 05/23/2006 11:04:42 AM PDT by cibco (www.4ecorp.ws/llarson/)
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To: floridaobserver
A lot of people thought airplanes were impossible. And the way hummingbirds fly violate every law of physics.

the first statement is true, but since there were people all over the world working on airplanes, the RIGHT people didn't. Those "right" people included scientist and engineers. Powered flight was not considered an impossibility, it was simply difficult given the current power to weight ratio of engines at the time. Heck, BIRDS could fly, that is powered flight, nothing impossible about that.

Hummingbirds do NOT violate ANY law of physics. That is simply, factually, incorrect.

111 posted on 05/23/2006 11:04:54 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Freeport
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see it run

112 posted on 05/23/2006 11:09:46 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: MeanWestTexan
[ "Hydrogen Technologies Applications in Clearwater, Fla" / Clearwater = Scientology. ]

Exactly.. Wonder what OTHER irrational nonsense is generated in Clearwater, Fl?.. Since the Scientologists OWN damn near the whole place.. Pretty much you need to be a MoonBat or a MoonMoth to live peacefully in Clearwater Fl..

113 posted on 05/23/2006 11:10:35 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: floridaobserver
Ahh, this is old news. I saw where some guy invented some tablets to turn water in to gasoline way back in the 20's, and offered it to the U.S. Gov't.

It was on the show "One Step Beyond".

114 posted on 05/23/2006 11:10:59 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Nathan Zachary
see it run

All I see is a bad link

115 posted on 05/23/2006 11:12:27 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Nathan Zachary
oops a link would help: Cycclone engines the engine that runs on nothing
116 posted on 05/23/2006 11:13:36 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Paradox

Many experts were skeptical that flight was even possible. Admiral George Melville, the Navy's chief engineer and a president of ASME, received acclaim for his vision of converting ship propulsion from reciprocating steam engines to the newly developed turbines. When it came to the possibilities of human flight, the admiral was a skeptic who wrote with authority. He had written about flight in the December 1901 issue of North American Review that "a calm survey of natural phenomena leads the engineer to pronounce all confident prophecies for future success as wholly unwarranted, if not absurd."


In one of those delightful quirks of fate that somehow haunt the history of science, only weeks before the Wrights first flew at Kittyhawk, North Carolina, the professor of mathematics and astronomy at Johns Hopkins University, Simon Newcomb, had published an article in The Independent which showed scientifically that powered human flight was 'utterly impossible.' Powered flight, Newcomb believed, would require the discovery of some new unsuspected force in nature. Only a year earlier, Rear-Admiral George Melville, chief engineer of the US Navy, wrote in the North American Review that attempting to fly was 'absurd'. It was armed with such eminent authorities as these that Scientific American and the New York Herald scoffed at the Wrights as a pair of hoaxers.


117 posted on 05/23/2006 11:13:41 AM PDT by floridaobserver
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To: Nathan Zachary
O.K. - try this for a new twist on the internal combustion engine.

http://www.scuderigroup.com/technology/the_technology.html

118 posted on 05/23/2006 11:14:07 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner
WTF I must be sleeping. http://cycclone.com/
119 posted on 05/23/2006 11:16:45 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: 1955Ford

Media people are notoriously ignorant of technical and scientific matters. Sadly a not insignificant minority of the people who pop up on these threads are similarly credulous about these things - not only that, but absolutely unwilling to be convinced otherwise by people who do understand this stuff.

These guys have probably found lots of support in Clearwater, Florida, however - people who can buy any of Scientology's crap will believe anything, I'm thinking.


120 posted on 05/23/2006 11:17:36 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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