Posted on 05/23/2006 9:27:27 AM PDT by floridaobserver
Though the developer of a technology that uses water to produce a flammable gas says it provides a solution to high gas prices plaguing the nation, detractors claim the businessman's idea is a scam.
Denny Klein is president of Hydrogen Technologies Applications in Clearwater, Fla. His patented machine uses an electrical charge to separate the atoms of H2O into HHO, a gas he calls "Aquygen."
"You get a huge energy response," Klein told the Tampa Tribune. "But this gas is very, very safe."
He first used the fuel to power a welding tool, but soon tried it out in a hybrid automobile.
The flame, though on its own registers just 259 degrees Fahrenheit, heats up to the melting point of whatever substance it touches, explained Steve Lusko, project manager for Hydrogen Technologies Applications.
"For example, when you ignite our flame and touch it to steel, it will cut right through it at 1,400 degrees," Lusko told WND.
"It will melt a hole right through a brick at 4,500 degrees. … It reacts to whatever it touches."
So, Lusko says, the gas has the ability to bond to whatever fuel it is mixed with, like gasoline in a hybrid car.
"Upon combustion, you get a dramatic increase in energy BTUs," he said, "and you get an equally dramatic decrease in emission pollution, because the burn is so highly efficient, what would have come out of the tailpipe as an emission ends up getting burned up and used."
An "electrolyzer" in Klein's 1994 Ford Escort uses electricity from the alternator to initiate the electrolysis process to make the HHO gas out of water, explained Lusko. That gas is then pumped to the manifold and into the gas tank.
"The gas then bonds with the gasoline in the gas tank," Lusko said, "and then upon combustion, that's when you get the reaction, giving you higher gas mileage and cleaner emissions."
Why not run a car with exclusively HHO gas?
"We have combustion engines here that have run completely on our Aquygen," Lusko said, "but it would be a matter of engineering."
Lusko says in tests the mileage of the hybrid vehicle has improved anywhere from 25 to 53 percent.
In this Fox Report, it is said that the gas temperature will go up as high as the surface of the Sun.
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv
Having viewed that I still find it suspect.
The bottom line is that energy is a constant. Whenever a material changes state energy is released in the form of heat, light, or radiation.
So the process of changing state from H20 to HHO which I think is either mischaraterized or just plain absurd would require energy from the alternator which is getting it's energy from the engine, which is not 100 percent efficient either.
Sorry, it just doesn't wash with me.
Whoa! Hadn't heard of it before. Bet it is good.
My battery uses sulfuric acid, which is what H2S04 is in my science book. I don't think you'd have any lead left if you put hydrocloric acid in your battery. you might notice a dangerous cloud though.
While an alternator may be spinning all the time, it produces significant "drag" on the engine, depending on the electrical load. So basically, it takes more fuel to turn the engine. IE, no free lunch. I would call it a "scam" because it looks like it violates a few laws of physics and chemistry.
Back in the Wright brothers day, scientists didn't think flying was impossible, of course. Neither did they think that breaking the sound barrier was impossible. Now, violating the laws of physics.. impossible.
It's OK; it's in no way as good as Oleanna or American Buffalo, and it actually feels in some ways like a dry run for The Spanish Prisoner.
You guys should take notice that aside from yourselves, the only other people treating this as plausible are the dumbest people in the world (i.e., TV journalists).
-- Sloth, chemical engineer
the first statement is true, but since there were people all over the world working on airplanes, the RIGHT people didn't. Those "right" people included scientist and engineers. Powered flight was not considered an impossibility, it was simply difficult given the current power to weight ratio of engines at the time. Heck, BIRDS could fly, that is powered flight, nothing impossible about that.
Hummingbirds do NOT violate ANY law of physics. That is simply, factually, incorrect.
Exactly.. Wonder what OTHER irrational nonsense is generated in Clearwater, Fl?.. Since the Scientologists OWN damn near the whole place.. Pretty much you need to be a MoonBat or a MoonMoth to live peacefully in Clearwater Fl..
It was on the show "One Step Beyond".
All I see is a bad link
Many experts were skeptical that flight was even possible. Admiral George Melville, the Navy's chief engineer and a president of ASME, received acclaim for his vision of converting ship propulsion from reciprocating steam engines to the newly developed turbines. When it came to the possibilities of human flight, the admiral was a skeptic who wrote with authority. He had written about flight in the December 1901 issue of North American Review that "a calm survey of natural phenomena leads the engineer to pronounce all confident prophecies for future success as wholly unwarranted, if not absurd."
In one of those delightful quirks of fate that somehow haunt the history of science, only weeks before the Wrights first flew at Kittyhawk, North Carolina, the professor of mathematics and astronomy at Johns Hopkins University, Simon Newcomb, had published an article in The Independent which showed scientifically that powered human flight was 'utterly impossible.' Powered flight, Newcomb believed, would require the discovery of some new unsuspected force in nature. Only a year earlier, Rear-Admiral George Melville, chief engineer of the US Navy, wrote in the North American Review that attempting to fly was 'absurd'. It was armed with such eminent authorities as these that Scientific American and the New York Herald scoffed at the Wrights as a pair of hoaxers.
http://www.scuderigroup.com/technology/the_technology.html
Media people are notoriously ignorant of technical and scientific matters. Sadly a not insignificant minority of the people who pop up on these threads are similarly credulous about these things - not only that, but absolutely unwilling to be convinced otherwise by people who do understand this stuff.
These guys have probably found lots of support in Clearwater, Florida, however - people who can buy any of Scientology's crap will believe anything, I'm thinking.
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