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1 posted on 05/23/2006 8:51:12 AM PDT by A. Pole
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2 posted on 05/23/2006 8:51:57 AM PDT by A. Pole (Second hand smoking is a major cause of global warming!)
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I'm STILL looking for a reason why the nation-state is preferable for Euro-peons to the old Austria-Hungarian and Holy Roman Empires. "Nationalism" was an idea that came to fruition in the Englightenment and may not be ideal for small polities.


3 posted on 05/23/2006 8:53:01 AM PDT by Clemenza (Populists Socialists, AND YANKEES FANS Will be Shot on Site)
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Brilliant stuff by Buchanan. The Old Republic is dead and gone, what comes next is a real mystery. The folks from La Raza have their own ideas about the southwest. The greens in the pacific northwest would like their own nation-state that they've named Cascadia. Will the south also rise again?


4 posted on 05/23/2006 8:55:17 AM PDT by piceapungens
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This is as depressing an article as can be written. Is it possible to say "I give up" any louder without actually saying it?


5 posted on 05/23/2006 8:56:08 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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Baby-boomers destroyed the greatest nation in history.

Baby-boomers are the worst thing that ever happened to this nation.


8 posted on 05/23/2006 9:29:27 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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Prior to the Age of Exploration there were many more independent entities than there are today--remember Burgundy and the Kingdom of Sicily? Add in hundreds of sovereign mini-nations in the Americans from the Incas up to the Illinois plus literally thousands of independent cities or tribes or duchies spread throughout Asia, Africa and Europe. European colonisers and empire-builders such as the Russians and Chinese did their best to roll-up as much of those smaller entities under their control as they could. As a result, hundreds of millions if not billions of people were ruled by governments not of their own choosing. Many of these governments were imposed by force, denied the "unalienable rights" of their people, and enforced their rule by force.

We are now in the devolution phase of that process--the colonies of the Americas were first to bust away, then Africa and Asia. The Soviet Union broke apart and its satellites in Eastern Europe are now free. The same for Yugoslavia. This is a trend that should be encouraged and applauded.

What we are seeing in the world is the fulfillment of the natural desire of people to rule themselves--self-determination. That need is particularly evident in peoples who are ruled by dictatorial or oppressive regimes; we in the USA should in particular understand the right of people to be free and to rule themselves.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

10 posted on 05/23/2006 9:48:42 AM PDT by mark502inf
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Generally I agree with Buchanan on his points of view, but I have to disagree here. He points out about the rise of international/supernational institutions like the European Union as proof of the nation-state's death, but even he admits to how unpopular the EU has become with many European voters.

The real problem is that, at least here in the West, including both Europe and the US, the political leaders have sold their nations down the river to international and corporate interests. Most people want a strong nation to live in and be proud of, but when you feel your own nation has abandoned you, you are naturally going to turn towards ethnically or religiously-based groups to provide you a sense of belonging.

It's easier to portray liberals and conservatives as their extremes - ie, nutjob commies and fascists - but really, you talk to most people and they share the same concerns, many about losing our fundamental rights and freedoms to unchecked governments and corporations from within and, from without, foreign threats that our "leaders" don't seem able or willing to defend us against. The differences between the anti-global activists at one extreme and the anti-immigrant groups on the other may seem worlds apart, but I bet at this point they probably have more in common than the typical American does with his typical "elected leader". Sadly, we seem more concerned with demonizing and defeating each other than actually cleaning up the mess.

Just my .02 cents...


11 posted on 05/23/2006 9:56:18 AM PDT by ClashOnBroadway
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What is Pat on?
Yugoslavia was never a nation state. At best it was Greater Serbia dominating other southern slavs.
At worst it was an artificial multi-ethnic state.
13 posted on 05/23/2006 10:40:27 AM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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What we are seeing is the aftermath of the colonial era. And it aint pretty.


17 posted on 05/23/2006 12:46:13 PM PDT by riri
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Ping!


19 posted on 05/23/2006 12:58:27 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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The more I read it, the worse this piece seems.
The disintegration of Yugoslavia, the second partition of Czechoslovakia and the breakup of the Soviet Union into 15 nations -- many of which had never before existed -- seem to confirm what Israeli historian Martin van Creveld and U.S. geostrategist William Lind have written.

The nation-state is dying. Men have begun to transfer their allegiance, loyalty and love from the older nations both upward to the new transnational regimes that are arising and downward to the sub-nations whence they came, the true nations, united by blood and soil, language, literature, history, faith, tradition and memory.

Is Pat historically illiterate? Bohemians and Slovaks are different peoples. Wilson et all created Czechoslovakia just like Yugoslavia.
Teh Tzarist and Communist Empire occupied many distinct and formerly independent nations.
I suppose Patty-boy now wants to go back in time and hiss at reagan for recognizing that the Soviets were an occupying tyranny?

The sub-nations, or ex-nations, struggling to be born or break free include Scotland, Catalonia and the Basque country of Spain, Corsica, northern Italy and Quebec in the West. Iraq, as we have seen, is a composite of peoples divided by tribe, ethnicity and faith -- as are Iran, Pakistan and India. Jordanians are Palestinian Arabs, with a minority of Bedouins.
Since when did the "nation-state" become defined as whatever countries Pat liked held together by threat of force?
As nationalism dies among the core ethnos, nation-states are split with occupied regions becoming free of central rule. This is a historical truism.

Of late, the transnational vision has lost its allure. Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales and most of Latin America reject the NAFTA vision of Bush and Vicente Fox. French and Dutch voted down the EU Constitution, which now appears dead. The Doha round of world trade negotiations is headed for the rocks. Hostility is rising to bringing Turkey into the EU.

So commies are no longer trans-nationalist? Just because they oppose one CRW, does not make them nationalists.

As the Old Republic trudges to its death, less and less do we hear that incessant blather about the American Empire, "the world's last superpower" and "our unipolar moment."
We lacked the will to do what was neccesary at home or abroad.

24 posted on 05/23/2006 6:56:00 PM PDT by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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False nation states based on borders imposed by Wilson and other deluded intellectuals are yielding to the former ones which followed more natural lines.


26 posted on 05/25/2006 7:16:10 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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So, too, do millions of illegal aliens in the United States. They march defiantly under Mexican flags in American streets demanding the rights of U.S. citizens -- while an intimidated political class rushes to accommodate and appease them, assuring itself this is but the latest reincarnation of Ellis Island.


I think he is really reaching in most of his article. But this sentence sums up a lot with very few words.


31 posted on 06/03/2006 8:54:51 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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