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I'm sticking with Bush. Bush remains world's best hope
Calgary Sun ^ | May 21, 2006 | Paul Jackson

Posted on 05/21/2006 12:53:53 AM PDT by FairOpinion

President George W. Bush strides across the world stage as much as the U.S. dominates the world's stage.

This is very good news for those of us who still believe in decency and democracy.

So forget what some slanted opinion polls say about the leadership of the 43rd president and his patriot countrymen.

Recall, Sir Winston Churchill was once one of the most detested men in Britain, then went on to save the free world.

That's Churchill's undisputed legacy.

In another era it may be Bush's legacy, too.

This past week, Australian Prime Minister John Howard, one of America's strongest allies, was in Washington on a state visit.

He was hailed by one and all in the nation's capital.

Later, Howard was in Ottawa to visit America's latest allies, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the newly elected Conservative government of Canada.

And we all know British Prime Minister Tony Blair is also one of Bush's -- and America's -- strongest allies.

Bush and America have many other allies throughout the world, too, although to read the nauseating Lib-Left news media, one would get the impression Bush is a pariah and America a rogue state.

Well, would you rather have the likes of Communist China, Communist North Korea, or Communist Cuba soldiering the world?

How about Middle East sheikdoms such as Iran, Libya, or Yemen running the show.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has already let it be known when his nation gets its hands on nuclear weapons he will use them against the Western democracies.

North Korea's president Kim Jong-il boasts he already has nuclear weapons and is building intercontinental ballistic missiles to carry them to western countries.

Back in the 1960s, Castro tried to install Soviet missiles on his island nation aimed at Canada and the U.S.

Do you honestly believe Bush, Blair, Howard and the like do not have a duty to safeguard us against these types.

Or would you rather have a stack of African dictatorships in charge -- nations ravaged by tribal warfare with their hands constantly out for billions of dollars in western aid that invariably is used to build luxurious palaces and deposited in secretive Swiss banks.

Vladimir Putin's Russia is a mess -- democracy there is in danger -- and old Soviet-style hawks want to take it back to the days of Stalinism.

Many of its non-Eastern European vassal states are in a mess, too, governed by local chieftains.

In Latin America bullies such as Venezuela's Hugo Chavez are on the rise.

Their hero, Fidel Castro, lives in luxury while his people continue to live under decades of food rationing.

India and Pakistan -- always at each other's throats, and courtesy of past Canadian Liberal regimes loaded with nuclear missiles -- pose a constant threat to that part of the world.

In Italy, we just lost Silvio Berlusconi, one of Bush's and America's best friends, in favour of left-winger Romano Ponti, and we don't know where he stands on preserving the international rule of law.

In Spain, when the Conservative government of Jose Maria Aznar fell, and Socialist Jose Zapatero came into power, the Spanish quickly capitulated to Islamic terrorist blackmail.

Thankfully, NATO and Norad are still holding together, and some perceptive Europeans leaders are even talking about a missile shield against rogue nations similar to the one proposed by Bush and rejected by weak-kneed types such as the Jean Chretien/Paul Martin Liberals.

Gutless, every one of them.

Talk about 21st century Neville Chamberlains!

So we're left basically with Bush, Blair and Howard and whatever smaller nations such as freed Soviet slave states in the European Union can pull together.

Yes, we've all read in the midst of this international war on terror that Bush has slipped this month to an all-time low in opinion polls at just 29%.

But recall that back in 1951 during another war on terror -- the attempt to prevent Josef Stalin's hordes from advancing into Western Europe and the all-out effort to save South Korea from advancing Communist North Korean forces, backed by Red China -- Democratic President Harry Truman fell to 23% in the polls.

The anti-America mobs can howl all they like, but I'm sticking with Bush, Blair, Howard and other true leaders of the western democracies.

I hope you are, too.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Canada; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1firstkeyword; baselessbase; blair; bush; elephanteatsownhead; europe; harrytruman; howard; msmborg; pollslaves; reactionarybase; sirwinstonchurchill; speakerpelosi; staythecourse; terrorism; vote3rdpartytards; whatwouldreagando; world; wot
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To: suijuris
It took me a long time, because I figured from all your posts that I was conversing with a liberal.

I haven't espoused any truths to you for the same reason.

Your comment about your 'friend' in the military voting for Kerry over Bush put me over the top.

You can't be taken seriously. I was right in the first place. If you ever decide to become a serious conservative we'll talk.

Until then........good day, lib.

301 posted on 05/21/2006 4:36:04 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
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To: AmeriBrit
I did seek support groups. It’s not like I sat on my tush and waited for someone to come to me, as much as you'd like to think. There was only one in all of Northern California at the time (about two hours from where I live) and it fell apart as quickly as it started.

I created an online forum to try and bring people together again. It grew quite popular, and for a while the site was getting around 3000 hits per day.

302 posted on 05/21/2006 4:44:32 PM PDT by Maximus_Ridiculousness
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To: FairOpinion

bttt


303 posted on 05/21/2006 4:51:43 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: hosepipe

And America has been a parasite of the French, right?


304 posted on 05/21/2006 4:57:25 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: ohioWfan
There's nothing you can do to change that, except repent and apologize.

If I have "attacked" Bush as you say to whom should I apologize? Do you consider yourself Bush's proxy on this forum?

305 posted on 05/21/2006 4:58:42 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!!!)
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To: suijuris
Well, it's not like this is a new position for W...

"Should I become president, I will look South, not as an afterthought, but as a fundamental commitment of my presidency. Just as we ended the great divide between East and West, so today we can overcome the North-South divide." --George W. Bush, 2000.
Maybe FReepers thought those words meants something different before they saw the American flags burning or flying under Mexican ones, but it should explain why our president is not offended as the marchers denounce our nation and desecrate our flag.
306 posted on 05/21/2006 5:04:32 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: APFel; FairOpinion

It's amazing to see how few Bushbots have a good grasp of history or sociology. In fact, I'm sure that if Bush were on the other side, they'd be complaining about "the lefties who don't realize that the cultural flood is leading to terrible disruption..."


307 posted on 05/21/2006 5:07:41 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Common Tator

You make a very good argument for letting the RINOs know how serious we are, unless they quit the games and honestly move to the right. If they know that conservatives are serious, then they must realize that the stakes are high enough for them to lose if they don't shape up.

Otherwise, we show the RINOs that they can do whatever they want.


308 posted on 05/21/2006 5:11:58 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
Also from that speech:

We seek, not just good neighbors, but strong partners. We seek, not just progress, but shared prosperity. With persistence and courage, we shaped the last century into an American century. With leadership and commitment, this can be the century of the Americas.

309 posted on 05/21/2006 5:14:26 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: suijuris
He's not the only one who thought that way. Many on the phonebank lines told me the same about Bush during the 2004 campaign.

If it weren't so tragic, it would be funny to see all of the FReepers who were not concerned that Bush is a Big-Nanny-Government type, as long as he pushed their agenda. They loved Executive Activism and supported the Imperial Presidency.

Now that an agendum or two comes along that isn't going their way, however,they realize the dangers of such an emperor president.

310 posted on 05/21/2006 5:26:19 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SeaBiscuit; jan in Colorado
Exactly...

"We will treat all Americans -- North, Central and South -- with dignity."

He clearly believes he has a mandate to make the United States of America like Central or South America:

"We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

"Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

"For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America."

311 posted on 05/21/2006 5:32:23 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: raybbr
I would ask you to apologize to all on this forum who care about truth and respect. It's not something that I'd expect you to understand.

When you say something violently untrue that attacks our Commander in Chief during a time of war, many of us are offended. It's clear that it doesn't bother you to either make the attack, nor offend anyone. In fact, it seems that you get a sadistic pleasure in being offensive.

I am very open to honest differences of opinion, but you have a long record of taking your warped hatred of the President, and voicing it as though it were valid..........and then being highly offended that others object.

At this point, I would like to apologize to you for anything that I have said that has been over the line of decency.

You make me angry, ray. You make me angry because of your irrational hate for one of the finest men to ever occupy the Oval Office. You make me angry because you take a single issue and hate him for it, and deny the reams of evidence that he has been, and still is a moral, honorable, strong and capable leader during one of America's darkest hours.

You attack those of us who defend him as being thoughtless, when it is we who have thought this through, and can disagree without vitriol, and it is you who are basing everything on your own personal emotional needs, and denying the reality of the whole of his administration, and its great strength.

I will not guarantee that I can live up to what I am promising myself right now, but I have made the decision to never post to you again. It is pointless to either try to reason with you, since you are driven by emotion, or to try to out-insult you, since you are clearly superior to me in saying vile things about others. I cannot, nor do I wish to ever reach your level in doing that.

I wish you well, Ray. I'm sorry that your life is so filled with anger and rage that you have become a miserable wretch of a man.

I wish you joy and peace, and henceforth, I will leave you alone to try to find whatever it is that you need to turn your life around.

I'm sorry.

312 posted on 05/21/2006 5:33:27 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
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To: ohioWfan
It took me a long time, because I figured from all your posts that I was conversing with a liberal.

ROFLOL! I've been called extreme right wing and I've been called a patriot(used to be a bad term during the Clinton years and Murrah bldg.; i.e Clinton initially blamed it blamed it on the "patriots")or a "Constitutinalist" (yeah, I've actually read it more than a few times), but your attempt to discredit me by implying I am a liberal troll shows how out of touch you really are. A cursory review of my post would indicate otherwise.

Apparently your myopic centrist point of view has no room for dissent or intellectual debate and any criticism of Bush is unpatriotic and unacceptable to your sensibilities. Well, we have posted back and forth for the past several hours now and I too have come to a conclusion. I've been conversing with a Sheep.

Sui

313 posted on 05/21/2006 5:43:02 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: Gondring

Points well taken Gondring.


314 posted on 05/21/2006 5:44:31 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: Gondring
[ And America has been a parasite of the French, right? ]

You mean the revolutionary war?.. Well thats when learned about the French.. They are undependable and John Kerry like..

315 posted on 05/21/2006 5:50:36 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: All; Miss Marple; Maximus_Ridiculousness; FairOpinion; Gucho; blackie; Peach; pbrown; onyx

"Maximus_Ridiculousness"
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316 posted on 05/21/2006 5:52:32 PM PDT by anonymoussierra (Et salutare tuum da nobis.!!!!)
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To: suijuris
I'm a strong conservative, suey. Have been for a very long time (like over 40 years). I'm not even close to being 'moderate.'

All I'm going on is what you've said on this thread. So far you've quoted polls, an AP article and talked about wondering if Kerry wouldn't have been a better choice than Bush.

Now, let's presume you have a rational thought process which hasn't yet been exhibited on this thread.

Would YOU believe that someone who trusted the left wing meda, polls, and thought a liberal elitist trator like Kerry was a viable candidate for ANY true conservative, was in your political camp?

Bet not. That is IF you were a conservative.

Let's get to the point here. You're mad at President Bush because of illegal immigration.

And because you are, you ignore his support of the military, his successful war on terror, his incredbily bouyant tax cut driven economy, his stance for the sanctity of life AND his strong originalist Supreme Court choices.

Does this really make sense to you?

Repeating............if you, as a conservative, looked at what you have said here objectively, would it come across as being a well thought out conservative position?

Or would it come across as it does to me (a thinking conservative)? Either the rantings of an out of control emotional pseudo-con, or the work of a liberal?

In either case, you aren't speaking as a conservative. I know that, because I actually AM one.

317 posted on 05/21/2006 6:00:28 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
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To: FairOpinion; Howlin

Hijacked by the second post. Typical anymore, espeically with anything positive about the President.

As far as some posters are concerned, Bush can do no right.
Which sounds just like the Democrats.


318 posted on 05/21/2006 6:09:42 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (God bless our fine military and their families.)
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To: prairiebreeze

Despite of few attempst at disruption, this thread still turned out pretty well.


319 posted on 05/21/2006 6:14:15 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: prairiebreeze
You can't tell the difference prairie. Hate from the left or from the right is still hate. And it's irrational.........always.

No rational person believes that this President is a failure, nor that he has 'betrayed' us, or that he is not an honorable man. None. Their emotions have distorted their sense of reality.

It's one of the most pathetic things I've ever witnessed. And shameful.

320 posted on 05/21/2006 6:15:56 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
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