Posted on 05/20/2006 1:16:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Conservatives, nationwide are getting angry about the loss of principle by GOP'ers in office. Big spending in Washington and Sacramento. The inability to control illegal aliens. Failure to protect jobs and the failure to stop the social agenda of liberals in our schools in finally causing conservatives to say NO to GOP incumbents, even if it means we could lose seats in a legislative body. The thought is simple, why protect a Republican running for office if their voting record will differ little from the Democrats.
In Utah, GOP Congressman Chris Cannon could not win his Parties endorsement for re-election--his opponent got more votes in Convention then he did.
In Nebraska, Congressman tom Osborne, and legend in the state, was defeated for the nomination for Governor due to his weak stand on illegal aliens.
In Heardon, Virginia, five incumbent city council members lost re-election due to their creation of a "Day Labor Center" for illegal aliens.
In the California 50th Congressional District Special Election, the Democrat is ahead of the Republican, since the Republican has been portrayed as more liberal than many Democrats--has even supported Democrats in the past.
But, Pennsylvania last Tuesday should have been the two by four to every GOP candidate and office holder in the nation.At least 14 incumbent GOP office holders, including the top two in the State Senate were defeated in a Republican primary, by Republicans. The good news is that if they had not been defeated, many GOP voters would have stayed home in November. This is a lesson for us in California, and the nation, GOP voters have had enough of Republicans acting like Democrats. Our candidates need to stand for GOP principles, then vote and govern that way once in office.
No longer will GOP voters settle for, "well at least they have a "R" after their name." There is a revolt going on in GOP ranks and it is moving across the nation.
Your position is kind of confusing to me Jim, I thought you were all about stopping liberals.
Will wou allow liberalism to win in order to defeat RINOism? Will you support that agenda?
To: WestVirginiaRebel
Depends. People who trash the president or the GOP or us "bushbots" with their every post are not helping matters. It gets old.
282 posted on 05/11/2006 11:10:59 PM CDT by Jim Robinson
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Looks to me like the chief Bush-Bot posted this thread!
Furthermore, you'll be hard pressed to show us a post wherein we Bush-Bots have not advocated the election of the most conservative of candidates IN THE PRIMARIES.
When will you minions of wardaddy's EVER learn?
*** courtesy pings to wardaddy and Jim Robinson for the sole reason that I have mentioned same by name. ***
You've never asked me, but I've explained it a dozen times at least here.
Right now we are 55 to 45. If the Dem had won (against either Toomey -- had he won -- or Specter, the Senate would be 54-46.
We still are the majority in this case. No downside.
Without Specter (let me say that again. It sounds so good.) WITHOUT SPECTER, Jon Kyl becomes the Judiciary Chairman. Kyl is a reliable pro life conservative.
No downside, only up as far as I can see so far.
Joe Hoeffel becomes that junior senator in the minority party. No special committee assignments, no power to speak of, just one vote out of 100.
Now, if I remember the ACU numbers correctly
Specter 43% Hoeffel 8% ACU deficit 35% in the overall 100 member Senate makeup or an average (theoretical) drop of 1/3rd point per senator. Ouch. That looks bad, doesn't it?
Now lets look at the other part of the equation.
Kyl 97% Specter 43% ACU enhancement 54% within the 18 member committee. An average (theoretical) pickup of 3 points per member.
Overall gain 54% Overall loss 35% = 19% net gain in conservatism and in an extremely important and powerful position.
Yep, there's the upside.
Well that sure stands2reason. ;-)
The cushion is the key. If the loss of the marginal RINO changes control of the Senate or the House, that is a new ballgame. That is why we need to pick our battles with some care...
Okay, South Carolina. Dump Lindsay Graham!
Can't until 2010.
And I agree that Specter is an abomination, and I would rather have had Toomey lose than Specter win. But the people of PA are somewhat RINO-like so electing a RINO is not a surprise...
i think a lot of us share your belief. what a lot of us are struggling with, though, is how this makes !hillary a worse choice than george bush on this issue?
Don't count Newt out. He is now visiting a lot of states saying all the right things. Recently he was in New Hampshire. Now why do you imagine that might be? I say it's for a 2008 run for the White House.
Are you serious? Can't we have better than an adulter? Please!!!
Oh yes, he yearns to be president, but he never shall be.
That is exactly what you are hearing.
In fact, just the other day, some bots were bashing conservatives for complaining about Bush and -- get this -- rubbed it in our face that 'we knew what he was for when he ran. If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have voted for him'.
So let me see if I have this right.
We listened to them in 2000 and 2004 and voted for him because the alternative was so much worse. Then, when we complain about what we got, they say that we should have withheld our votes.
Then we are supposed to be sheeplike enough to follow their advice again? I don't think so.
There are a few decent Dems; they are rare and far between; but the Great Ronald Reagan was originally a Democrat.
But, there are Libertarians and Independants who could gather a few votes if they came down hard on the illegal immigrant issue.
Depends. People who trash the president or the GOP or us "bushbots" with their every post are not helping matters.
EVERY Post I don't think so.
I agree. Let the march continue!
bump
I do.
Keeping Hillary out is too important an issue to ignore.
It does happen the other way around sometimes. Senator Coburn won the senate seat with grass roots support when the party elite endorsed another candidate in the primary.
We're at 55-45 now. Using your strategy, we give the DEMs Chaffee, Collins, McCain, Specter, DeWine, Hagel, Graham, Snowe. Am I forgetting any? That's 8. So, if your strategy worked on every RINO, we'd have a 53-47 DEM majority, and we'd be saying hello to Majority Leader Reid. Good idea LOL.
And that's the whole point. If there's two libs to choose from, one of em's gonna win. It might was well be ours. There's clear upsides.
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