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Book takes look at past to get picture of liberals' future (THE UPCOMING LEFTY CIVIL WAR)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 21, 2006 | GEORGE WILL

Posted on 05/20/2006 8:09:53 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

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A non-pigressive liberal ??? Hard to believe.
1 posted on 05/20/2006 8:09:56 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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The Good Fight: Why Liberals -- and Only Liberals -- Can Win the War on Terror and Make America Great Again

America is Great now. Only an idiot Liberal would think that Socialism and PR would result in anything other than woe and misery.

2 posted on 05/20/2006 8:12:31 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Governor of California, another job Americans won't do.)
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''The original doughfaces were 'Northern men with Southern principles' -- Northerners who opposed slavery, but who could not bring themselves to support the Civil War.''

Sort of like being against abortion but supporting 'choice'.

Since then, Beinart argues, liberals have lacked a narrative of national greatness that links America's missions at home and abroad. It has been said that whereas the right-wing isolationists in the 1930s believed that America was too good for the world, left-wing isolationists in the 1960s believed that the world was too good for America.

Yes, with the likes of Pol Pot, Castro, Kruschev and Mao running things, you can't have the US out there ruining it for everyone.

What this country really needs is a declared war on Liberalism.

3 posted on 05/20/2006 8:25:54 AM PDT by IncPen (The Liberal's Reward is Self-Disgust)
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Your tag says it all...


4 posted on 05/20/2006 8:26:54 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Governor of California, another job Americans won't do.)
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To: Chi-townChief
Liberals are dead, they were murdered by "progressives".
5 posted on 05/20/2006 8:29:47 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Liberals saying "We Support The Troops" is like OJ looking for the real killers.)
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To: Chi-townChief

This guy is on MSNBC a lot and FNC some. He has a space between his teeth you could drive a truck through.


6 posted on 05/20/2006 8:31:17 AM PDT by BW2221
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The word liberal being applied to todays Democrat Party is actually incorrect. I for one would really like to see the day when they are called exactly what they are...SOCIALISTS. It would clear alot of things up for many people who don't really understand where they belong. Alot of people, such as my parents, still think the Democrat Party is the party of the little guy. BULL


7 posted on 05/20/2006 8:36:00 AM PDT by SHOOT THE MOON bat (Disclaimer: No live moonbats were harmed during the making of this screen name.)
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That's the HUGE problem for Beinart: an "anti-totalitarian liberal" is already pretty right-wing or, at the very least, (if I may use the n-word) a Neo-Con.


8 posted on 05/20/2006 8:44:08 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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Tchu!...socialists? Why not call them what they _really_ are- neo-primitive pagan leninist-trotskyite hedonist endorphin clogged brahminic hyper-empathico anarcho-nihilists. I think I might have left something out about justificatory murdering Pol Pot swine.


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9 posted on 05/20/2006 8:48:48 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui (Semiotics and Camoflage)
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That's the HUGE problem for Beinart: an "anti-totalitarian liberal" is already pretty right-wing or, at the very least, (if I may use the n-word) a Neo-Con.

You're right--Beinart is the very definition of neocon. The problem is that the left has defined every conservative as a neocon because the prefix "neo" conjures up "neonazi" in the mind.

10 posted on 05/20/2006 8:55:10 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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That's a pretty tortuous article to follow. Basically, a group of "liberals" want to Conservative Democrats to be in the van against the Republican Party while jettisoning their "progressive" loony elements but holding on to he word "liberal."

Was that clear?


11 posted on 05/20/2006 9:10:38 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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''whatever its failings, the right at least knows that America's enemies need to be fought.''

Says it all.


12 posted on 05/20/2006 9:12:03 AM PDT by Excellence (Since November 6, 1998)
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Was that clear?

Not with my syntax...

13 posted on 05/20/2006 9:13:38 AM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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an "anti-totalitarian liberal" is already pretty right-wing or, at the very least, (if I may use the n-word) a Neo-Con.

Touché.

14 posted on 05/20/2006 9:16:57 AM PDT by eddie willers
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When words such as "liberal" get redefined, it does make things difficult to understand.

I always thought that the progressive tag came into vogue as the democrats were trying to run from the mess they left on the word liberal.

That or when it became apparent what the liberals really stood for, the people began hating liberals so they had to resort to a new word that wasn't "dirty".


15 posted on 05/20/2006 9:25:14 AM PDT by listenhillary (The original Contract with America - The U.S. Constitution)
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liberal -- not ''progressive'' = moderate democrat, RINO, or BIG givernment republican, like Bush.. All those terms are on a sliding scale, depends on the day..


16 posted on 05/20/2006 9:25:52 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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The word 'socialist' is used as often on FR as the word 'fascist' is used on DU. It's not meaningful in either case.

Socialism is 'Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.'

Can you name a dozen major Democrat elected officials on the national political landscape who explicitly advocates this?
17 posted on 05/20/2006 9:30:54 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("5 Minute Penalty for #40, Ann Theresa Calvello!" - RIP 1929-2006)
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disdains the label ''progressive'' as a rejection of liberalism's useable past of anti-totalitarianism

Anti-Totalitarianism is the great Liberal Canard:

Hitler Bad
Stalin Good
Franco Bad
Castro Good.
Bush Bad
Chavez Good

Socialism; Communism, GOOD. Capitalism;capitalists, BAD. North Vietnam, GOOD. South Vietnam, BAD. UN, GOOD. America, BAD.

That's why this dirty little fink rejects "Progressivism, it's too American. Fighting Bob LaFollette would have kicked his butt.

18 posted on 05/20/2006 9:34:18 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (How odd of God to put so much crude under the arses of those so rude.)
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I think his point is that liberals in the past were willing to stand up to totalitarians whatever their form: JFK was a cold warrior through and through.


19 posted on 05/20/2006 9:38:46 AM PDT by LiveBait
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liberals in the past were willing to stand up to totalitarians whatever their form: JFK was a cold warrior through and through.

Liberals, on the whole, never said an unkind word about "Uncle Joe" Stalin, or 'Agrarian Reformer' Mao. As far as JFK being a Cold Warrior, his actions in Cuba, or for that matter, in Vietnam, wipe out any public utterances he may have made.
I'll grant you this, JFK spun himself, and he and his Dad were mighty spinners, as a Cold Warrior.
All baloney. He stands up in Berlin and proclaims himself "Ein Berliner," which fittlingly enough means he's a jelly donut, and the Soviets respond by building the Wall, which he lets go unchallenged.

But then his Dad's Hollywood-style PR operation spun JFK as a War Hero, when the Navy had originally scheduled him for a court martial. They spun him as devoted father and family man. They spun him as the picture of health. They spun him as an author, hiring their own people to write his book. Dad single-handedly turned it into an instant best seller by buying 50 thousand copies. They spin the Kennedys as Civil Rights crusaders, when JFK voted against civil rights bills for 20 years in Congress and the Senate.

All we know publicly about JFK is pure 'Myth of Camelot' spin. Ted, Patrick, Bobby,JFK, and Dad, in short the lot of them, were all cut from the same crooked cloth.

20 posted on 05/20/2006 10:36:14 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (How odd of God to put so much crude under the arses of those so rude.)
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