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To: freepatriot32

Is there even the remotest chance thaat the JBTs are right on this one case?


4 posted on 05/18/2006 6:31:00 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: TXnMA
Is there even the remotest chance thaat the JBTs are right on this one case?

I doubt it if there was a real problem with this gun dealer the atf wouldnt haveto go all the way back to 1970 to find transaction that may be bad and the store owner himself said the some of thethings the atf are pointing out are just paperwork errors like an mistyped serial number if the irs acted the same way the atf acts almost everyone would be in jail for some paperwork mistake if they went back through all the tax records for 20 or 30 years

15 posted on 05/18/2006 7:23:33 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: TXnMA
If they were right, it would be a rarity on the scale of the Hope Diamond. I automatically assume that anything the BATF says is either greatly exaggerated, or patently false. Their track record bares me out on this as well. BATF needs to go.
23 posted on 05/18/2006 7:50:14 AM PDT by Space Wrangler
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To: TXnMA; GingisK; RonF; durasell; driftdiver; lakeman; ishabibble; mountainlyons; ...
there is an interview at the here with another victim of the atf persacution where the head of the atf states point blank thatthey are above all gun laws

http://jpfo.org/TTA20060508.mp3

27 posted on 05/18/2006 8:19:42 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: TXnMA

"Is there even the remotest chance thaat the JBTs are right on this one case?"

With idiots like Sterling Nixon on their payrolls, not a chance. They are not a legitimate government agency but a bunch of thugs acting like an organized crime syndicate. I don't doubt for an instant that this is more of their intimidation and unlawful tactics coming out.

Mike


34 posted on 05/18/2006 8:28:30 AM PDT by BCR #226 (Abortion is the pagan sacrifice of an innocent virgin child for the sins of the mother and father.)
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To: TXnMA

Is there even the remotest chance thaat the JBTs are right on this one case?



In the absence of evidence that any of these "missing" guns ended up in criminal hands suggesting a pipeline or pattern, no.

Typos don't kill, and the ATF record for accurate record keeping is abysmal compared to those they regulate.


44 posted on 05/18/2006 9:02:51 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: TXnMA

I have purchased some items from Traders over the years; from what I could see, all was in order. I have copies of the paperwork. That said, its clear that the investigation does have at least, in part, political motivation. The City of Oakland, Alameda County, and the Cal DOJ have been trying for years to close down Traders (and to stop gun shows from happening in Alameda County) as well as many other FFL retail stores. This does not appear to be limited to California, but is happening around the country, so there is a large federal hand in it. This whole thing started during the Clinton Administration, and continues almost unabated. Before 1992, there were around 27,000 FFL holders in Cal; after 1998 (or so) there were about 3,000 - a 90% reduction.


97 posted on 05/19/2006 11:39:33 AM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: TXnMA
Is there even the remotest chance thaat the JBTs are right on this one case?

No, there isn't. They are enforcing a set of regulations that are, for the most part, unconstitutional and therefore illegal.

279 posted on 05/24/2006 7:17:51 PM PDT by Aarchaeus
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To: TXnMA
Is there even the remotest chance thaat the JBTs are right on this one case?

As much as I detest and disrespect BATF, I would have to say yes.

I owned and operated a small gun shop as a sideline for almost 3 years in the early '90s. If the shop in SF can't account for over 1700 firearms there is something seriously amiss in that store. Every firearm that becomes part of the store's inventory or is kept on the licensed premises must be logged into a "bound book" registry with serial #, model, manufacturer, caliber, type, name and address of source, and date of acquisition. All that data is kept on record and is subject to inspection once a year by BATF agents.Then, when a firearm is sold or transferred to any other party in any way the name, type of ID, and address of the buyer or recipient is entered in the bound book registry and the original copy of the 4473 form filled out by the buyer is kept on file permanantly.

IMHO it would be incredibly careless and reckless for a FFL dealer to run such a slipshod operation that the multiple required records of over 1700 firearms acquired and disposed of in just one year could have just innocently slipped through the cracks somehow. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems quite likely to me that this dealer is sitting in some very deep doo-doo.

304 posted on 05/27/2006 9:28:05 PM PDT by epow (Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend, inside a dog it's too dark to read a book, Groucho)
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