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The Time has Never Been Better for a Third Party
Sierra Times ^ | 5/17/2006 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 05/18/2006 4:04:27 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy

For quite some time, 20 years at least, conservatives, constitutionalists and traditionalists have been frustrated with political reality in America. The ‘Republican revolution’ of 1994 bore small fruit, that establishment Republicans let wither and die on the vine. In the place of promises of smaller government, fiscal responsibility and stronger defense of our liberties and sovereignty, the Republicans have given us what the Democrats wanted to give us: bigger government, larger debts, and big-brother government with fading liberty and sovereignty.

The Democrats are nothing but pandering socialists who have sold out to corporate globalists, whereas Republicans are pandering corporatists who have sold out to socialistic globalists. There’s not a whole lot of difference is there? What we have running our country are a bunch of power hungry one-worlders who basically chose up sides to play their game and are only concerned with their team (political party) being in control. Either way we get the same raw deal.

Not since the 1850s has the political environment been so ripe for the emergence of another political party onto the national scene in a manner that will allow it to ‘play with the big boys.’ Back then, it was the newly formed Republican Party that came on the scene and eventually eclipsed and killed the Whig Party. If a political party, whether it were to be a newly formed party or one of the current third parties, was to make the right move, it could dominate the right, become a defender of the Constitution, and truly get into the game with the ‘big boys.’

The Democratic Party has sold its soul to socialism and every leftist special interest or perversion known. The Republican Party is tearing itself apart due to the left-leaning elites that control the party, ignoring its conservative base. A new conservative party could pull in the disaffected voters who’ve given up on our political system, and also draw in conservatives hopelessly clinging to the Republican Party. The remaining liberal Republicans would simply fold themselves into the Democratic Party, where there hearts really reside already.

According to a recent Scott Rasmussen’s survey, a third party candidate could easily take a third of the votes in a national election if they made preventing illegal immigration and enforcing our immigration laws their key issues. In fact, if Hillary Clinton was to run for president in 2008, without a third party candidate focused on illegal immigration, the survey shows nothing can stop Hillary from winning. Basically, we will have another Clinton in the White House in 2009 if a conservative third party candidate doesn’t come forth and champion U.S. sovereignty and fight illegal immigration. The survey shows that a third party candidate can win in a three-way race. Hillary wins in a two-way race between Democrats and Republicans. But a third party President facing a Congress split between two opposition parties could mean a seriously failed presidency. That is why a third party would have to ensure candidates run for the House and Senate at the same time, and do so with a ‘joint game plan’ with the presidential candidate. If the ‘Contract with America,’ where candidates ran on a group platform, worked in 1994, it can work in 2008, linking a third party’s presidential candidate with that party’s congressional candidates, all sporting the same key issues and ‘running together’ after a fashion.

With this in mind, neo-con Republicans would no longer be able to scare conservatives into voting for them simply based on the idea that ‘if you don’t vote for us, the Democrats will control everything.” This worn out line has really lost its impact; especially with how the Republican controlled Congress and White House have spent the last five years acting like Democrats.

But what party to form, or which party to look to? To try and form a new, independent party now, looking two years ahead, is a daunting task. I question if this can be done in a manner that will be effective. Looking at existing third parties, which ones have fairly viable organizations that stretch across the country? There are only two I’m aware of that meet the organizational criteria: the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party. Both, overall, tend to hold fairly sound, traditional views on limited government, fiscal responsibility by government, and limited international involvement (leaving that involvement to be purely economic). It’s in the area of immigration that these two parties differ. It is the Constitution Party that holds the view the Rasmussen survey shows can take the White House.

If the American people wish to break the stranglehold that the current two-party system holds over them (and will surely lead to our financial, cultural and political demise), then anyone who considers themselves a patriot should look to backing the one viable party that stands for American sovereignty and the control of our borders: The Constitution Party. Cast off fears that not voting Republican will mean Hillary gets the White House. The survey shows that that very fear will ensure she gets the White house. It takes courage to take a new path, and it’s time all conservatives, constitutionalists and traditionalists got in the one vehicle that’s currently available to take us back to the constitutional republic our forefathers left us.

I’m not saying that every official position of the Constitution Party is going to appeal to all conservatives/constitutionalists/traditionalist, but neither do all the planks in the Republican or Democrat platforms. I’m just saying that if the citizens want to take back their country from the elites and globalists, it’s time to break with the establishment one-worlders who are selling us down the river and take action via a political party that is working to preserve our Constitution as intended, not as interpreted (or ignored) by elitists.

The Constitution Party stands for more than just defending against immigration, and people should read up on them. At the same time, the Constitution Party needs to promote more of their fiscal views. Currently, they are known mostly as a pro-life party. They can’t ride an anti-abortion, one-trick pony to the White House or to Congress. To be viewed as a truly viable party, the Constitution Party needs to promote their other views concerning limited government, fiscal responsibility and halting illegal immigration. Getting a truly conservative, Constitution-honoring political party into Congress and the White House would help to steer the U.S. back towards sanity. A three-way split in political parties working in Congress could be really beneficial to the health of our Republic.

I know there will be Republican supporters out there that will tell me I’m dividing their ranks and now is the time to fight to keep the Republican Party on track. I can only say that not only is the Republican Party not on track, it has derailed and had a horrible wreck. At this point in time, it is a fool’s errand to attempt to change the neo-con party. I’m also confidant that some Libertarians out there will tell me I should be backing the Libertarian Party rather than the Constitution Party, as they are the real party of true liberty. The Libertarian Party has a lot of good positions on issues. However, as I stated earlier, the big issue that is the turning point for making a third party a true player on the national level is illegal immigration, and the Libertarian Party doesn’t have the correct position on it to take advantage of the current situation in America. In looking for the best vehicle to break the stranglehold that the Republican-Democrat system has on public office, the Libertarian Party simply isn’t positioned properly to be that vehicle.

I freely admit that I’m not a Republican any more (I haven’t been for about 10 years now), and that I’m not a Constitution Party member…yet. However, the time is ripe for change, and I’m tired of being a disaffected conservative. Thanks to the spinelessness of establishment politicians, the climate is right for a new major political party, and the Constitution Party is right on the issue of immigration to take advantage of the times. This is not just a chance to shake up the two-party system, but a chance to take our country back and make it a home again for citizens rather than territory to be conquered by the illegal invaders.


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The Democrats are nothing but pandering socialists who have sold out to corporate globalists, whereas Republicans are pandering corporatists who have sold out to socialistic globalists.
1 posted on 05/18/2006 4:04:33 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

I think Ms. Hillahrea is gambling on just this scenario. There is no other that could possibly work out for her.


2 posted on 05/18/2006 4:05:39 AM PDT by mo
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To: FerdieMurphy
perot screwed this up and people are still wary from it i think
3 posted on 05/18/2006 4:08:00 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: mo
I think Ms. Hillahrea is gambling on just this scenario. There is no other that could possibly work out for her.

Not a gamble at all. She's playing the same playbook as before...move toward the center, lay out cheese for conservatives...

Just something to think about...Ronald Reagan in all his years of running for President, never, ever jumped ship to a third party. Instead he left us with the 11th commandment.

4 posted on 05/18/2006 4:09:27 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: FerdieMurphy

Two words ... Tax Revolt!


5 posted on 05/18/2006 4:09:29 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: FerdieMurphy

No Perot path to a President Clinton. No! Never again!


6 posted on 05/18/2006 4:11:02 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: rhombus

RR was something else...he understood the pragmatism of politics...and that it ultimately takes GENERATIONS to acheive meaningful change in policy and politics. Not 1-2 election cycles. The liberal spent from 1932 to 1990 getting us to where we are.....


7 posted on 05/18/2006 4:12:07 AM PDT by mo
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To: kinoxi

Will Ross Perot appear in 2008 to give Hillary Clinton the oval office? I would not be surprised at all. The Clintons will find somebody to drain the conservative votes off and win.


8 posted on 05/18/2006 4:12:58 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: mo
Remember what we got the last time we had a serious Third-party? No thank you!
9 posted on 05/18/2006 4:13:13 AM PDT by Perdogg (Durham - The San Francisco of North Carolina)
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To: rhombus

post #4 lay out cheese for them ? :)


10 posted on 05/18/2006 4:14:57 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: FerdieMurphy

Third parties cant make it without a strong candidate. Someone exceptional like Teddy Roosevelt.

I know of no one in politics I can call exceptional. They all carry the same baggage.


11 posted on 05/18/2006 4:15:02 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: FerdieMurphy
This sounds so good but it has a huge flaw. It's called human nature. The Constitution Party platform is no better than the Republican platform.

If anyone believes that once an elected CP candidate gets into office, they'll govern differently from an elected conservative Republican, they're deceiving themselves.

It is so easy for CP people to stand there and sanctimoniously declare that they are better than Republicans. They've never had to prove it. They'll never have to prove it and they know it.

They're a bunch of cowards. If they had any courage, they'd be running in Republican primaries where they could get elected.

I was once sucked into believing they were more pure and sent them my hard-earned money. Then I observed their campaigns and became angry.

I heard their campaign ads. They ran against Bush--not Gore or Kerry. Do they really want me to believe that Bush is more dangerous than a Democrat? I'm not that stupid. I was stupid enough at one time to send them money but now I have contempt for them.

They're human, too. Never again.

12 posted on 05/18/2006 4:15:08 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: FerdieMurphy

A third party, to prove its viability and to gain real influence, should concentrate on vulnerable Congressional districts and forget the Presidency.

If a third party could get two to five Senate seats and ten or twelve House seats, the Dems and Repubs would HAVE to do business with them, and then the third party would start producing results.

Why waste millions on a Presidential bid that you can't win anyway? Why risk a Hillary(!) presidency?


13 posted on 05/18/2006 4:16:33 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: mo

Completely agree. This numbnuts has it exactly backwards. A re-run of Perot running as a nativist third party candidate is Hilary's only conceivable chance to win.


14 posted on 05/18/2006 4:16:34 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: mo

Sort out the RINO's in the primaries...Vote "R" in '06!!!!


15 posted on 05/18/2006 4:16:50 AM PDT by FlashBack (www.teamamericapac.org)
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To: FerdieMurphy
This article nails the Two Big Parties pretty clearly. They are also right about a Third Party. However, not the Constitution, Libertarian, nor the now pretty much defunct Reform party will be able to get their collective crap together enough to offer a serious challenge. The Greenies and the Commies never had anything to get together in the first place and are an even bigger joke than the Democrats.

Ain't gonna happen. Not until things get a LOT worse. Which, unfortunately, is bound to happen.

16 posted on 05/18/2006 4:17:08 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: oldironsides
i'm hoping for a lefty moneybag this time. which could be al gore
17 posted on 05/18/2006 4:17:31 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: FerdieMurphy
I'll take a few RINOs for a couple years more till they can be weeded out instead of a guaranteed Clinton Presidency.
18 posted on 05/18/2006 4:17:56 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: mo

As a foreigner, let me warn you I have a feeling all of this calls for Third Party movements among American conservatives are plans of VLWC (vast left-wing conspiracy) moles planted deep inside the conservative movement. Just as the KGB had plenty of spies in the West and they are some of the last people who you would have guessed they are Soviet spies, only a fool will believe the Left in America never copies this tactics.

I'm quite sure some of the VLWC moles are dressing themselves up as "bona-fide" "true conservatives".


19 posted on 05/18/2006 4:19:07 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: kinoxi
I still blush when I think about Perot. And, if I were to consider voting for the Constitution Party (which I already consider my ideological home) who would they run?

In any case, the author is right, on one thing. True Conservatives are well and truly tired of being diddled by the Republicans and having our votes taken for granted.
20 posted on 05/18/2006 4:19:28 AM PDT by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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