Posted on 05/17/2006 4:05:08 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel
VIRGINIA BEACH-Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson is warning that, according to God, storms and possibly a tidal wave will pound America's coastline this year.
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3. Test of a prophet: is he ever wrong?? uh oh Pat!
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I COR 14 seems to indicate that your old Testament standard on that score is not entirely accurate in the body ministry context of the New Testament church. There's no hint of dragging out the stones in I Cor 14.
Personally, I like Pat Robertson. He has done more to help people in their daily lives through his various charities than all his critics combined. I would very careful about ridiculing him. And he has consistently supported conservative postions on the issues.
If these posts are any indication of the level of spiritual darkness that has now consumed the conservative movement, we are in more trouble than I ever imagined.
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I think you are exceedingly right on all counts. Thanks.
Hail Mary, full of Grace...
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You mean it's really NOT
full of grapes?
No. I know folks who've worked around him.
He's a very genuine, sincere, authentic person. He does things because he feels they are the right thing to do regardless of their impact on donations.
Think what you will. God is his ultimate judge.
But then God will also judge our judgments of each other.
I thoroughly agree with your very accurate rant.
Alas, I'm skeptical that anything will come of it besides more derision.
Some folks seem to lie in wait for such opportunities as though they have no other thrills or happiness in life other than castigating, assaulting, denigrating, demeaning, mocking etc. evangelical and particularly Pentecostal/Charismatic Christianity.
Pat doesn't claim to be a prophet. But, like all New Testament believers called to be daily refilled with God's Spirit--and to seek to hear God above all other gifts . . . he has impressions and on occasions even words or phrases he is convinced come from God. I don't doubt him.
But in my own life, it's often difficult to tell what is from God WHEN GOD CHOOSES TO SPEAK EXTREMELY SOFTLY IN HIS STILL SMALL VOICE as He so often chooses to do. Must be something about training our hearing and paying attention.
Sometimes God seems to almost yell within my mind/spirit/heart. But those times are rare.
And, many times, I have to wait to see how accurately I really heard God's voice by what transpired related thereto.
I think God will be drawing all His true kids closer to Him and enabling them to be more sensitive and hear more accurately at some point in these end times. But I haven't seen that time yet.
This website has a lot of good prophecies many folks from all walks of life get ongoingly. Some ring more true and some more urgent than others. But I am disappointed in the track record of the whole of the modern Christian prophetic. I'm sure God is, too. But we have to crawl before we can walk. Learning is a challenge in any such role.
Enabling someone to hear 100% perfectly from the beginning would be a huge hazard to their pride.
Here's one of the best prophetic websites that collects a diversity of prophecies from mostly no-name common folks--housewives, laborers, farmers etc:
http://www.etpv.org/whatsnew.html
THE ELIJAH LIST is another good one but has an outrageous and really offensively bothersome amount of advertising. The founder believes it's a ministry for him to support many single parents etc. thereby. But it's really to an obnoxious degree so I no longer subscribe.
Pat Robertson is, and always has been, a buffoon...a buffoon who makes a mockery of Christianity. Listen to him at your peril.
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imho, that is quite untrue and wrong.
Pat may be another fool for Jesus. I don't know his brief from The Lord precisely.
I do know that Pat is quite Biblical and Pat and his organization has often STRENGTHENED my hand IN THE LORD and ENCOURAGED me IN THE LORD.
I consider his fruitfulness for The Kingdom--especially overseas--to be quite excellent and well above average.
Throw rocks if you will. You may eventually find God catching some and throwoing them back.
No. I think that was Oral Roberts. . . . who has said his share of foolish things in his day.
As have everyone else hereon. Would any of us like our foolish statements to be instant news? Could any of us survive that contingency?
Your zeal for The Lord and what's true and right warms my heart tremendously.
Thanks tons. Needed that encouragement.
And it was their belief and not his power that healed them.
Well said.
What is not said and certainly far from admitted is that a LONG LIST of preachers and pontificators on the other side of such theological issues preach and write all the time
AS THOUGH their words OUGHT to bear the weight of holy writ in terms of how seriously their listeners are to take them.
AND THEY ARE WRONG AT LEAST AS OFTEN AS PAT. But they get away with it scot free.
That double standard does not impress God in the least.
...and the real problem with the supposed apocalypse???
It's not that we are afraid it will happen,
It is that we are afraid that it won't.
I think before God talks to Pat he looks over at someone in heaven and says "Hey, you wanna see somethin' funny?"
we are denegrating Pat Robertson. Perhaps by extension, pentecostals.
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You are good at that.
And, I dare say . . . IF
I had access and had video tapes of all your utterances . . . and/or of all the utterances of your religious stars in your brand of Christianity . . . I could find plenty of things I could be just as upset over Biblicaly as you are over Pat.
I'm not impressed with your seeming blindness about the planks in your own turf.
The blindness is obviously there or your attitude, at least, would be different toward Pat.
That Janis J song used to be a key one in one of the tapes we played on the group process weekend up at Julian CA from the CREDO house in San Diego that I worked at.
Great stuff--loved those groups. Powerful changes for many people and even for many Commands.
Pat would tell you that's because you don't put enough in the coercion plate.
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From what I know, that statement is proof that you
1. Don't have a clue about Pat and haven't spent much time even watching him with any discernment whatsoever
and/or
2. your typical discernment, reading of people is extremely flawed.
Not in my experience.
Our capacity to hear can be influenced by many things--our practicing DOING what we've heard previouisly, for example
--our preoccupation with whatever's going on in our lives at the moment.
--our level of insecurity in general at that moment.
--the level of chatter from our own minds/spirits/hearts--the level and nature of our own self-talk.
--any crisis in our lives or even intense joy or other intense life experience at the time that has captured a lot of our focus.
--our prayer life and Bible reading life.
--our worship habits recently.
There are probably a list of others besides.
AMEN! AMEN!
The fruitfulness of Pat's ministry speaks for itself in the lives of those touched. And, I think, That's all that God is interested in--fruitfulness for The Kingdom.
God seems to delight in having lots of fools for Jesus jangle the sensibilities of the average person--especially the average PROUD person.
Goodness, no.
IF God delayed the apocalypse because of prayer and fasting or whatever such--I'D BE DELIGHTED.
But it seems clear to me, it will not be greatly delayed, if at all.
I'm just eager to get HOME TO MY HEAVENLY ABODE.
One of the all time great scenes in movies. :) Aretha wearing that awful pepto-bismol pink waitress uniform with the schleppy bedroom slippers...classic.
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