No, but an inanimate one did once, and...
...aw, it's a long story.
Posted on 05/17/2006 2:54:55 PM PDT by okiecon
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than 40 percent of women surveyed in the Seattle area reported they had been physically or psychologically abused by their husbands, dates or boyfriends, researchers said on Wednesday.
(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.com ...
"I got another barrel" ;)
Perfect response.
Come to think of it, one or two girlfriends did, but kiss and make up seemed a wiser course than call the cops.
No, but an inanimate one did once, and...
...aw, it's a long story.
If there are any hysterics here, it is being shown by people who feel men have received a bum rap in today's society. They are angry about the injustices men have faced. Frankly, I am, too. I have a husband and three sons, as I said, and I want the best for them. I believe in justice. Yes, some women have falsely accused men and manipulated them. It's tragic. It shouldn't happen. But that doesn't make it open season on women. It doesn't negate the fact that women are often truly targets of abuse. Read my post #44 for more research on the subject... hopefully, better studies.
I see two main themes in these messages. The first is -- the problem is real, we know it exists, but it's not that bad, not newsworthy, and certainly not supported by this poor study. The second is -- the problem is not real, it's an emotional argument created by women and liberals to emasculate the American white male. Which is it?
I think it would be fair to say that 1) the study is flawed 2) other studies and anecdotal evidence indicate a real problem exists 3) physical abuse of either gender is wrong.
May your life and the lives of the people you love be free of abuse.
Posting in big bold letters and appealing only to emotion could be characterized that way.
If there are any hysterics here, it is being shown by people who feel men have received a bum rap in today's society. They are angry about the injustices men have faced. Frankly, I am, too. I have a husband and three sons, as I said, and I want the best for them. I believe in justice. Yes, some women have falsely accused men and manipulated them. It's tragic. It shouldn't happen. But that doesn't make it open season on women. It doesn't negate the fact that women are often truly targets of abuse. Read my post #44 for more research on the subject... hopefully, better studies.
Noone ever advocated open season on women, that is your extrapolation. Define "often." People are "often" the targets of abuse. Children are "often" the targets of abuse. Men are "often" the targets of abuse.
I see two main themes in these messages. The first is -- the problem is real, we know it exists, but it's not that bad, not newsworthy, and certainly not supported by this poor study. The second is -- the problem is not real, it's an emotional argument created by women and liberals to emasculate the American white male. Which is it?
This study is not newsworthy, at least not in the misleading and twisted way the "facts" were reported. I guess the 8% physical abuse stat was not shocking enough. Your two choices are not mutually exclusive. The problem is real, has been exploited for political gain, and certain groups wish to mislead the public as to the facts of the matter.
I think it would be fair to say that 1) the study is flawed 2) other studies and anecdotal evidence indicate a real problem exists 3) physical abuse of either gender is wrong.
I refuse to offer a pass on bad reporting because the issue exists. The problem is you defend the newsworthiness of the study despite its misleading "findings." When have you heard about the prevalence of abuse in single mother headed households in the news? I guess that is not "newsworthy" because it is not a pet cause?
May your life and the lives of the people you love be free of abuse.
Thank you. I wish you the same. However, according to this "study" I am already a victim even if I didn't know it. Ironic isn't it? Lumping you and me together to make the statistic larger (of course, I would not have been surveyed, I am a man). Should that not bother, real victims, as opposed to some girl who once got into a screaming fight with her high school boyfriend?
One of the (many) reasons I never believe these surveys is that they could consider a male using a loud voice in a spat towards the woman as psychological abuse, or holding a woman down if she wants to strike out, as physical abuse.
(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")
We threw everything we knew at the results in attempts to understand the high figure.
- More ready access to medical community
- Higher saturation of the "domestic violence" message and use of the "term label" therefore
-Percentages of living together versus married.
-"frustrations" attendant with living in higher density population locations
-The single-parent issue
What did we ultimately boil down to?
The blue counties are encouraged, generally, to be constantly enraged over issue X, Y, Z etc. thereby increasing the "flip" trigger for anger, rage and frustrations. General encouragement to "act out one's anger impulses".
And lastly, that the studies deserved the same merited application as biased whether conducted in blue or red county. That since so many programs proliferated through the blue areas so entirely driven around the "domestic violence" agenda, that people were far too quick to label simple even pedestrian interactions and exchanges as "abusive".
There are also higher amounts of gays living in the blue zones. In the early 90s, the "studies" on domestic violence portrayed very high numbers that when broken out on a weighted basis showed that domestic violence was higher, per person, in gay communities than in heterosexual communities. Higher in lesbian than gay. And these were included in the "city" stats but not pointed out in the master report -- one had to request the authors to reveal that information.
My point here, is that unless one has access to seeing more of the details than simply the master report, these reports are and have been very misleading.
Man spends decades caring for wife and children!
>All parties reported as "Healthy and Happy"
News at 11:00
Thank you for the statistics. I was surprised that people here weren't taking Domestic Abuse seriously. It's a global problem. The stats you provided show the seriousness and hopefully some of the readers will take heed.
What a mean spirited post.
A "GLOBAL" problem? It's a global problem in that there are way too many lies being promoted and promulgated about "domestic violence". That's "global problem" #1.
"Global Problem #2" is Domestic violence on the rise among American Muslims
Study after study, generally not given any attention by the MSM shows that batterers of women are generally the one and same batterers of men. So, be there one abusive person out there battering twenty people -- there go your stats on abuse.
Furthermore, "rape" is on the statistical decline in the US and has been since onset of decline in very late 90s, making a remarkable decline since year 2000.
I would suggest you do an article search in FR using key words "domestic violence". Very revealing in that it is not a "global problem" as you suggest, is and continues to be addressed not ONLY in the US but around the world.
No one is ignoring this problem.
Feminists pushing this issue as a "global problem" are unappeasable. Especially since their use of "domestic violence" as a pet funding issue had been morphed during Clinton years to include funding for abortion, internationally, and was cut by the Bush Admin.
The feminists are utterly unappeasable. Whenever the domestic violence stats decline, the feminists grow restive and request yet another study like this thread's topic be done.
I am not going to play "My statistics can beat up your statistics".
As the father of two lovely young ladies, I hope you are right but I do not believe you are.
So what does either have to do with discussing this topic?
I understand that you love women. That was the point of your post. I think that's wonderful. I care about women too. And women who are lied to using "psuedo-scientific" means is hidious. And it is also hidious for men who love women to support the practice and/or use of bogus science/questionable scientific means. It treats everybody as a fool. I despise that.
Is "domestic violence" a "disease"? It's not. So, why is the CDC reporting on this?
Okay, you started it. I am the loving mother of female daughterS, and female grandchildren.
So does this mean my opinions should carry more weight in the discussion? No.
How often is often? I call this often -- too often for both men and women. In the United States every year, about 1.5 million women and more than 800,000 men are raped or physically assaulted by an intimate partner. This translates into about 47 IPV assaults per 1,000 women and 32 assaults per 1,000 men (Tjaden and Thoennes 2000a). In 2002, 76% of IPV homicide victims were female; 24% were male (Fox and Zawitz 2004). These statistics are per year. If you were to ask how many women (and men, for that matter) were physically or sexually abused at some point in their lives, the number would be astounding.
The problem is you defend the newsworthiness of the study despite its misleading "findings." When have you heard about the prevalence of abuse in single mother headed households in the news? I guess that is not "newsworthy" because it is not a pet cause?
I believe the problem is real and something we should not deny or ignore. I wouldn't call it a pet cause. Is the reporting fair? It's the MSM -- what do you think? Is the study flawed? I think we've agreed it is not. Do I think we need to spend tax dollars to study the problem more? Absolutely not. Do I think we need more legislation? No, I think we have enough legislation. I do believe the definition of abuse is too broad and does take away from the truly serious abuse.
So what is my hope in all of this? Enlightenment. I hope that my fellow conservatives will understand that even if this particular study or the reporting is flawed, the problem is real and may affect someone they love. It may affect someone they know -- even the most unlikely people. We need to state clearly that abuse is unacceptable. We need to teach our children that abuse is unacceptable. I believe we can express outrage with injustices faced by men without belittling women who have been abused. I hope that the people on this board treat the women in their lives with more respect and compassion than I have been shown.
I'm not sure that I've succeeded with most of the folks who post here, but I hope that some lurkers will read and give it some thought.
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