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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: Pukin Dog

Count me in. Great post.


241 posted on 05/17/2006 9:03:13 AM PDT by Lekker 1 (("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929))
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To: onyx
I am NOT surprised you are an '04 sign-on with no state flag.

There is no white flag of surrender to choose from.

242 posted on 05/17/2006 9:03:26 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Vicomte13

If the GOP has to learn through losing elections - then we have no party to begin with.

Because, losing is furthering the other side and is not acceptable. Unless you are working for the other side which apparently is true of many here now.


243 posted on 05/17/2006 9:03:30 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Is the primary goal of our Congress to protect America's borders?)
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To: ohioWfan
It's not the GOP that is the problem. It's the voters.

People fail to realize that RINOS "vote."

244 posted on 05/17/2006 9:03:32 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: Pukin Dog
Here is the essential problem, (my apologies to non-programmers, but the syntax should be fairly readable):

if (tax-cuts + great-economy + new-arab-democracies +
   secure-nation < weak-immigration-policy) {
    republicans.bicker();
    Hillary h = new President();
    h.loseWar();
    h.rollbackTaxCuts();
} else {
    republicans.unite();
    Bush b = President.currentPresident();
    b.winWar();
    b.sustainEconomicGrowth();
    republicans.electNextPresident(better-immigration-policy);
}
245 posted on 05/17/2006 9:03:35 AM PDT by Democracy In Iraq (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes)
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To: Pukin Dog
You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now.

No, I voted for George Bush because he is a Republican and because of who his opponent was. I agree with the President on his WOT, but not about immigration. As far as I know, I'm still free to have an opinion but since this is the first thread I've read this morning, I'm not sure.

246 posted on 05/17/2006 9:03:53 AM PDT by LucyT ("Whether it's the best of times or the worst of times, it's the only time we've got"... Art Buchwald)
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To: Pukin Dog

Quite simply..............Thank you.


247 posted on 05/17/2006 9:04:00 AM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Oliver Optic

Thanks for that sane post.


248 posted on 05/17/2006 9:04:32 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (DemocRATs- the CULTURE OF TREASON!)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan

Your post and response is exactly the attitude I'm talking about.

You are part of the problem.

Have a nice day


249 posted on 05/17/2006 9:04:36 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Republican Red
Love your Roberts/Alito picture.

The federal judiciary is the instrument the left has used for decades to enact their godless, anti-family, anti-life agenda.

Friends, we are on the verge of victory in the courts.

That alone will keep me from "sitting out" this election.

250 posted on 05/17/2006 9:04:45 AM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: Pukin Dog

Well said. Yes sir, well said.


251 posted on 05/17/2006 9:04:53 AM PDT by SueRae
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To: The_Victor

*** Perhaps I am too generous,... maybe not....***

Believe me, you ARE too generous. The democrats are, whether they all know it or not, COMMUNISTS. This country is fighting for its freedom from communism which is using the WOT to take over this country.


252 posted on 05/17/2006 9:04:56 AM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Well said Dog!


253 posted on 05/17/2006 9:04:59 AM PDT by Keyga8tor
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To: Pukin Dog

It's reassuring and hopeful to read this thread with so many supportive comments. There is hope, and we must make it so. The president and the first lady are outstanding people, and his leadership has been the best in my lifetime.


254 posted on 05/17/2006 9:05:02 AM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: Tribune7
Remember Ross Perot Geo Herbert Walker Bush (and the wonderful thing he gave us)
255 posted on 05/17/2006 9:05:10 AM PDT by Protagoras ("Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious".... George Orwell)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I suspect the '04's with no state flag, live in red states and use FR to vent, demoralize and suggest the "GOP be taught a lesson" in other states and nationally. Misery likes company.


256 posted on 05/17/2006 9:05:31 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: Pukin Dog
Look, we have a President who says he listened to the American people and he has decided to couple a pretense at increased border security with his amnesty-that-really-isn't-amnesty and "guest" worker plan.

Who was he listening to?

His Republican base and the majority of Americans have stated their preference for increased border security. Fine, he's finally listened and appears to have moved a ways in that direction.

Who else was he listening to?

Well, we had millions of marxist-organized illegal aliens marching in our streets since March 25th, culminating with their nation wide temper tantrum on May Day. They were demanding the right to work, amnesty, and citizenship. And the President has said that is what he wants to give them.

Why is he listening to illegal aliens? These are foreign nationals who are criminals, who have violated our sovereign borders, who do untold amounts of economic damage to our towns, states, and nation, who are responsible for over 9,000 American deaths per year, who are responsible for sexually abusing 3,000 American children per year. But they are who the President is listening to when he sets half of his immigration reform and border security plan to provide them legal work, a way to avoid the legal penalty (deportation) for their crime of being here illegally (ie. amnesty), and a path to citizenship. That is what the illegal aliens demand and that is what the President is working to give them.

You say that the President said that he was the President of all Americans, not just Republicans and those who voted for him. Now, besides the fact that the Democrats never try to be the President or representatives of "all" Americans and fight only for their side while Republicans tend to try to be the President or representatives of "all" Americans (even liberals, leftists, and Democrats) and tend to give far too much ground to the other side, I have an issue with the President being the President of the foreign nationals who are making demands. He is not the President of the illegal aliens and their demands do not deserve to be considered - at all - by the President. Yet there he is capitulating to those demands.

Now, when someone points this out or are otherwise critical of the President's plan - as long as they do it somewhat rationally and respectfully - they are not a "troll" here, nor are they advocating throwing everything to the Democrats. These people have a legitimate complaint that does not deserve to be derided and they don't deserve to be called names and told to shut up.

The President has actually come a LONG way from his original position on immigration reform and border security. He needs to be given credit for that. He's still got a ways to go until his proposal is acceptable and will not serve to damage the country, but he's made a lot of progress from even a year ago. I have to credit those who have been critical of the President's position and also credit the Minuteman Project for so deftly calling national attention to the problems at the border. Just like the Harriet Meiers episode, the President has proven that he can be forced to listen to his base. He's got some more listening to do, however, but I have to recognize how far he's actually come on this issue. There's still work for us to do though.

Trying to affect political change of a conservative nature is what this site is all about. The criticism of the President, as long as it is somewhat respectful, is healthy and should be welcome here. We may be able to nudge him and the Senate far enough that they'll put together and adopt an acceptable plan. Or we may be able to defeat the current unacceptable plan because, at this point, no bill at all is better than the bill being debated in the Senate.

We could all tone it down a bit. The bitter rancor here has been a bit high lately. Passions are running high on this issue, but we're all grown ups I think and we should be capable of a little more self control. It isn't constructive to accuse someone of racism or intolerance just because they want the border secured and our laws enforced. It also isn't helpful to call the President a traitor or call for his impeachment. We FReepers agree on 90% of political issues as we all tend to be conservatives. We should act like it. Yes, even on the immigration reform/border security issue. We could all do a lot more "turning the other cheek" here, applying the Golden Rule, and remembering that holding a grudge against someone or deciding to hate them is like taking poison and then expecting that someone to die from it. And, yes, I can stand to take some of my own medicine on this.

And that's just my two cents.

257 posted on 05/17/2006 9:06:22 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Pukin Dog

Thanks pukin!! Might want to send this to the hostile radio talking heads as they are fueling the rhetoric against this wonderful president.
We'll have them to thank if there is a dem takeover!


258 posted on 05/17/2006 9:06:31 AM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: onyx
You're full of useless and inane hypothesis that don't wash.

You're a defeatist "teach the GOP a lesson" poster.

You're going against the purpose of FR, which is to defeat democrats and never give them control of Congress or the White House.

I am NOT surprised you are an '04 sign-on with no state flag.

As I said in #176, I think there is blame on all sides for the present ugliness.

I must say, though, that I think you post (in its entirety in italics above) is an excellent example of the ferocious and nasty ad hominem style that is unfortunately practiced by you and your chums who constitute the crowd often referred to as "bots."

259 posted on 05/17/2006 9:06:31 AM PDT by LK44-40
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To: Iscool

"encouragement from Pukin Dog" to be civil does that? My my, what a thin skin you have.


260 posted on 05/17/2006 9:07:26 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (DemocRATs- the CULTURE OF TREASON!)
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