"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Had Bush 41 known that the tax-hawks would never forgive him, no matter what, after he raised taxes, he would have stalwartly refused to have done so. But he underestimated the strength and depth of passion on taxes of the tax hawks.

He thought a war-winning president who was at 92% a year out from the election just couldn't lose.

"We have too many real enemies and we cannot afford "sitting" out, or "teach the GOP lessons" tactics."

But the GOP can afford to teach a lesson to so-called "border bots?" The outcome is the same, either way.

I also forgot the MOST important factor in Bush 41 losing the middle: the "recession" that ended in the spring/summer of 1992 that the media reported as the "worst economy in 50 years", right up until election day. I remember being surprised, when the data came out later in 1993, to find out we had all been duped.

You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

I said that I knew his stance on immigration when I voted for him 3 times counting the primary the other day on a "protected" thread and have been defending my conservatism ever since.

Something I do when I see something odd on a post that doesn't quite look like it belongs is to click on the poster's screen name and do a little research. I hope others can send me the same consideration. Attacking each other and being all paranoid isn't going to get us anywhere.

Another thing we ought to remember is that George W. Bush is not running for re election. We need to drive the debate in the direction (i.e., the next President) we want the country to go. I think eliminating Chafee would be a great start. Let's use a little Jack Welsh management here, huh? There is always room for improvement.

Yeah, and in reality - the GOP compares the up and coming Hispanic vote against the part of the base that is never happy anyway.

The future of who runs this country will be the ones getting the hispanic vote whether we like it or not. It is not Bush's fault - it is the fault of our lousy government politicians that will not touch a controversial subject until it becomes a major crisis.

Casey is pro-life and 2A just like Gephardt & Bonior were.

I thought Gephardt only pretended to be pro-life until he ran for prez. Then he suddenly came out as pro-choice. And Bonior is pro-life? G'wan.

Not to suggest that I find any of them convincing. I just recall the flap years back when the Dims refused to let the other Casey address their convention.

How have they not?

Many ways. Before citing the most recent example, let me reiterate that personal attacks on the President, his family, or members of his administration as well as on fellow Freepers is inexcusable under any circumstances. Of course, some egregious posts by whomever only deserve certain responses before the author is banned.

The most recent example of disrespect was another instance of the President treating us as children or idiots: In his latest immigration speech he responded to the real problem illegal aliens and their growing numbers, a very real and divisive problem affecting citizens of all parties and politics, by lecturing us on the virtues, the contributions and the historic importance to our present greatness of legal immigrants.

Our president is an intelligent man. Surely, if he did not write the words he certainly saw the banality and dishonesty in their use.

I won't even, at this point, mention the similar "vigilante" and "religion of peace" faux passes...

There have been ENEMIES WITHIN, this country, throughout the 20th century. That isn't my "beef" with you post; nor why I dumped the "black helicopter" and tinfoil charges on you. And, I suspect that you know this, which is why, all of a sudden, you have switched to more reasonable talking points.

Your addition of the neocon and your delighted agreement with and encouragement of another poster and his/her post, is what got you my teeth in your nose.

And you almost, but not quite, as did the other poster more reverently, imply that President Bush is being dictated/blackmailed into doing and saying what he has done.

"What mexican in their right mind would EVER go back once they were here?"

They did in the early 60's, before liberals said it was slave labor and demanded they get welfare and schooling, medical care.

I think some California FReeper could visit some veggie farms in that area and see how many of the workers speak English. I'll bet damn few do.

If you and your family work stoop farm labor, thats great, because not many will.

Well, a greatly increased influx of Hispanic immigrants would appear to favor Democrats, if the recent demonstrations, as well as current voting patterns are any indication of future voting behavior. It also seems clear to me that they're not going to remain cheap and docile for very long, either. They're going to unionize. I see nothing positive for conservatives in this, other than the presumed religiosity of the group, and the effect that would have on the abortion issue. Beyond that, it's all socialist, all the time.

Yet you seem to honestly believe 200,000,000 immigrants will arrive here in 25 years. Wow.

And you sir, conveniently brush aside the historical reality, and the repeated explanation that Ireland contributed 10 times her own population to the United States over time.

Repeating the straw man statement after being corrected can only have one or two explanations.

Oh dear...I know that you are a bit "tinfoilish", but please don't fall for the conspiracy trap. And I probably know far more about most of the groups blamed by the full tinfoil bodysuit wearers, than they do.

And we still love you too. :-)

There was a time in my life when I did some business in the Republic Of Ireland, and was there several times per year. Their standard joke, upon meeting yet another American with some Irish ancestry, was to say that if every Irishman in America was to return to the old sod, the island would sink.

Hm......what is a neocon anyway. I'm so fired up over the Bush trashers and the fussin' on this thread I'm not thinking through what I posting to - (maybe).

And, I never doubt Pres. Bush as you could check my prior posts over the years to learn. But - the points in Haglr's post about the undercurrents in our society hit home as I too think things are just too weird lately.

I did not manipulate my posts back to you as I don't have time to be that creative. I was not even positive as to what you were calling me a tinfoiler other than the Halgr post.

So, you see - it is time for me to quit with the flying fingers and get back to my life.

Hopefully the quitters and Bush trashers have gotten my ire by now and I'm tired.

The discussion was the differences we have on this issue. I asked you if my observation was correct on an earlier post, but you did not reply yet.

The idea of punishing the GOP is something I have read constantly on the border bot threads. It's a theme of vitriol that I have a hard time with. I have heard you echo it, but not state it explicitly, so pardon me if I was wrong.

I was hoping you would respond to my list in an earlier post of what I thought would be given up by supporting the border bot agenda to the exclusion of all else. I have responded to your thoughts, so I hope you will respond to mine, otherwise we're not having much of a discussion.

"And you sir, conveniently brush aside the historical reality, and the repeated explanation that Ireland contributed 10 times her own population to the United States over time."

Um hmmm....well let me pen you down as one more person who believes that Mexico will soon double its current population and every last one of them will pack their bags and come up north.

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